Captain America vs Superman

We have zero feats or proof of what Cap can or cannot do with his ring. Does he become Stewart level? He managed to overcharge his ring beyond its capacity.

Does he become Kyle level? Kyle overrode Mageddon's efforts through sheer willpower.

Guy level? Actually, Guy's pretty shite.

Hal level? Krona buster, etc.

Deadline's original post was that in the other thread, all he could see were opinions, that weren't backed up by any facts or proof. Hence my post.

Supes is pretty effective with GLs. I understand he now has his shield, which no other GL has - but is that all that is needed for Kyle/Hal/any other GL to take the win? IIRC, GL's themselves don't have enhanced reaction speeds - it's the ring itself that is fast. Which Superman has outreacted/outright smashed its constructs before. With every GL that has ever tried.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We have zero feats or proof of what Cap can or cannot do with his ring. Does he become Stewart level? He managed to overcharge his ring beyond its capacity.

Does he become Kyle level? Kyle overrode Mageddon's efforts through sheer willpower.

Guy level? Actually, Guy's pretty shite.

Hal level? Krona buster, etc.

Deadline's original post was that in the other thread, all he could see were opinions, that weren't backed up by any facts or proof. Hence my post.

Supes is pretty effective with GLs. I understand he now has his shield, which no other GL has - but is that all that is needed for Kyle/Hal/any other GL to take the win? IIRC, GL's themselves don't have enhanced reaction speeds - it's the ring itself that is fast. Which Superman has outreacted/outright smashed its constructs before. With every GL that has ever tried.

Do you get that Cap has superhuman reactions and what has become natural combat abilities that the others you mention don't come close to? You are saying it's all speculation and mostly it is, but why is it that you and others in the thread aren't even considering the attributes that Cap brings to the table BEFORE the GL upgrade? Cap would set a NEW standards for GLs IMO, so talking about the current GL shortcomings isn't relevant. This is NOT a normal GL. He would be the Cap of GLs, and all you have to do is think about it honestly. This guy is able to bang with heroes and villains far about his level as it is, so if current GLs come close but fall short of Superman, I am certain he won't. He's probably call him "son" too and Kal would feel like "son."

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Do you get that Cap has superhuman reactions and what has become natural combat abilities that the others you mention don't come close to? You are saying it's all speculation and mostly it is, but why is it that you and others in the thread aren't even considering the attributes that Cap brings to the table BEFORE the GL upgrade? Cap would set a NEW standards for GLs IMO, so talking about the current GL shortcomings isn't relevant. This is NOT a normal GL. He would be the Cap of GLs, and all you have to do is think about it honestly. This guy is able to bang with heroes and villains far about his level as it is, so if current GLs come close but fall short of Superman, I am certain he won't. He's probably call him "son" too and Kal would feel like "son."

The ring doesn't take existing attributes and amp them further. If Batman and Alfred got the ring, it would only form constructs as quickly as Batman could think of them.

Cap getting the ring would still only form constructs at the speed of Cap's reflexes. And Superman is still>>Cap in reflex speed.

The autoshields would then kick in (which are independent of the user, hence 'auto'😉, and we know Superman has smashed many an autoshield in his time.

If they stood there, and Superman allowed himself to be caged, and then tried breaking out of it whilst Cap brought all of his willpower to bear, then sure, a good case can be made. But in a fight? Superman has already detailed how he would fight GLs. And that involves speed.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😆 Are you at all familiar with Green Lanterns?

Do you need to have everything explained to you? 👇

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
He said Cap would punch harder with the GLR, so I told him to show me instances where this statement held true for, at least, another Green Lantern. But he didn't.

Do you need to have everything explained to you? 👇

😂 😂 😂

Hey Hellen Keller, there is no instance to reference because it hasn't happened!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The ring doesn't take existing attributes and amp them further. If Batman and Alfred got the ring, it would only form constructs as quickly as Batman could think of them.

Cap getting the ring would still only form constructs at the speed of Cap's reflexes. And Superman is still>>Cap in reflex speed.

The autoshields would then kick in (which are independent of the user, hence 'auto'😉, and we know Superman has smashed many an autoshield in his time.

If they stood there, and Superman allowed himself to be caged, and then tried breaking out of it whilst Cap brought all of his willpower to bear, then sure, a good case can be made. But in a fight? Superman has already detailed how he would fight GLs. And that involves speed.

What are you talking about? The ring would not SLOW DOWN Cap's reactions and ability to recall information as a result of his super soldier serum, so yes, he would retain those advantages over normal "human" GLs.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😂 😂 😂

Hey Hellen Keller, there is no instance to reference because it hasn't happened!

So if it hasn't happened, why would anyone think Cap's peak human stats would have any impact here?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What are you talking about? The ring would not SLOW DOWN Cap's reactions and ability to recall information as a result of his super soldier serum, so yes, he would retain those advantages over normal "human" GLs.

Yes, he would. I agree.

In this thread, he'd up against Superman. Whose reactions are still faster than Cap's, and def faster than normal human GLs.

When speedblitzed by extreme force (as Superman has done many times), the GL ring compensates with autoshields. Which may or may not be faster than Cap, but let's say they are (being 'auto', after all). Superman has smashed those many a time.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Heh, I see you're still not the sharpest tool in the box.

So if it hasn't happened, why would anyone think Cap's peak human stats would have any impact here?

Because once again, he has a superior COMBAT MIND. I said that from the beginning so you should try paying attention. He also has top tier WILLPOWER. Again, you are familiar with Green Lanterns, right? He also has tons of skill and experience as a Soldier an AVENGER. And yes, his peak human stats come into play in terms of his reaction time, spatial awareness, aim, timing, physical combat prowess, all the intangible attributes he possess that would be employed as a Green Lantern. And then there is the indestructible shield.

👆

Plus, I don't think Cap will go all out Ted Bundy on Superman trying to decapitate him with the shield. Do you even comics, BAV?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, he would. I agree.

In this thread, he'd up against Superman. Whose reactions are still faster than Cap's, and def faster than normal human GLs.

When speedblitzed by extreme force (as Superman has done many times), the GL ring compensates with autoshields. Which may or may not be faster than Cap, but let's say they are (being 'auto', after all). Superman has smashed those many a time.

That's what GLs not named Cap has done. Cap is going to sit there and take damage, he's going to defend and counter punch. Also, while superman is faster, he hasn't simply overwhelmed them with speed. Hal would be a tough, tough out for Superman. Cap would be >>> Hal IMO.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
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Plus, I don't think Cap will go all out Ted Bundy on Superman trying to decapitate him with the shield. Do you even comics, BAV?

I'm sure read a hell of a lot more than you. And yeah, as I said, if he felt he had to, he would, but I don't think it would come down to that.

By the way, the attack that merced Krona, what would that have done to Superman?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's what GLs not names Cap has done. Cap is going to sit there and take damage, he's going to defend and counter punch. Also, while superman is faster, he hasn't simply overwhelmed them with speed. Hal would be a tough, tough out for Superman. Cap would be >>> Hal IMO.

Defend and counter punch?

I mean, if we are taking Cap's highest reaction speed feats and use it as the norm, shall we use Superman's highest reaction speed feats???

One fights in h2h with people like Crossbones.

The other, the Flash.

Are you seriously saying that Cap would be able to create constructs and react to a Superman who is fighting at high speeds (using his experience of fighting Lanterns)?

At high speeds, Lantern constructs aren't as durable anyway as ones where they have had time to focus and pour their willpower into. Even accounting for Cap's peak human speed, it still would be nothing compared to what Superman can bring to the table.

And as he cannot keep up, his ring will default to auto shields. Which are inherent to the ring, and don't depend at all on the user.

And Superman has smashed autoshields many a time.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
By the way, the attack that merced Krona, what would that have done to Superman?

Krona has no superspeed, and was sitting there daring Hal to take his best shot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Krona has no superspeed, and was sitting there daring Hal to take his best shot.

But can you answer the question for argument sake? I'm going somewhere with this.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Because once again, he has a superior COMBAT MIND. I said that from the beginning so you should try paying attention. He also has top tier WILLPOWER. Again, you are familiar with Green Lanterns, right? He also has tons of skill and experience as a Soldier an AVENGER. And yes, his peak human stats come into play in terms of his reaction time, spatial awareness, aim, timing, physical combat prowess, all the intangible attributes he possess that would be employed as a Green Lantern. And then there is the indestructible shield.

Just that fact renders the GL ring useless. Add in the speed difference, strength, experience with the powers and you have a clear winner.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
By the way, the attack that merced Krona, what would that have done to Superman?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
What if OWAW Superman punches this Cap in the face?

Hm. Is anyone willing to answer the question?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
An indestructible shield that has been pierced by Superman many times?

Just that fact renders the GL ring useless. Add in the speed difference, strength, experience with the powers and you have a clear winner.

🤣 Prove to me that Superman has pierce Captain America's shield.