General Primary Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Lestov16
OT, Why do people say "it's x's race to lose" if they mean x is going to win. Odd bit of semantics there.

Because they want to say that x has to screw up or they would win by default. Basically if they do nothing or the bare minimum they would win. Which also implies that their competitors can't really do anything to stop x from winning. It's sort of an active "it's their election to win" vs. a passive "it's their election to lose", so the latter implies an even stronger likelihood for x's victory.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

I think this election is Hillary's to lose.

You and everyone else here been wrong since the start who said Trump wouldn't even secure the nomination. What you think doesn't really matter nor has a track record of predicting Trumps success.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because they want to say that x has to screw up or they would win by default. Basically if they do nothing or the bare minimum they would win. Which also implies that their competitors can't really do anything to stop x from winning. It's sort of an active "it's their election to win" vs. a passive "it's their election to lose", so the latter implies an even stronger likelihood for x's victory.

This.

Republicans vote in force, and enough democrats stay home from Hillary disaffection is the winning Trump formula getting thrown around by analysts. I don't know the numbers nearly well enough to say if they're right, but you'd think the republican party is dead to hear the talk.

I mean, women, latino's, lbgt ect leaning left is nothing new. Yet Republicans still manage go win elections.

Originally posted by Lestov16
By silent majority you mean immature white men? Cause that's the only people voting for Trump.

Funny how Trump's base is the "majority" even though there are more people who hate him than like him. Do you know what majority means?

Literally every single thing you said in this post was wrong.

First off we know that it's not just "immature white men" who support Trump and will vote for him. Plenty of females have said they too will vote for him. Plenty of people from all races(blacks, latino's, etc.) have said they intend to vote for Trump. Hell hispanic governors who took shots at Trump in the past are now endorsing him.

So this "it's only immature white men" is nonsense. Also, why beat around the bush? Just say what you really mean lol. Which what you meant to say was "racist white men". Because it's easier for people like you to think it's just foaming at the mouth racists who support Trump.

Also just to be clear, you know Hilary is in the SAME boat as Trump when it comes to a lot of people hating her, right? Both her and Trump have had some of the most unfavorable ratings in history lol. Except the difference is Trump has only been a politician for a short time and is a controversial figure who most likely purposely says provocative shit in order to get a rise out of people. Hilary has been one for decades and yet a lot of people still hate her and it's not because she tries to provoke people it is because Hilary is being Hilary.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also just to be clear, you know Hilary is in the SAME boat as Trump when it comes to a lot of people hating her, right? Both her and Trump have had some of the most unfavorable ratings in history lol. Except the difference is Trump has only been a politician for a short time and is a controversial figure who most likely purposely says provocative shit in order to get a rise out of people. Hilary has been one for decades and yet a lot of people still hate her and it's not because she tries to provoke people it is because Hilary is being Hilary.

Originally posted by Surtur
Literally every single thing you said in this post was wrong.

First off we know that it's not just "immature white men" who support Trump and will vote for him. Plenty of females have said they too will vote for him. Plenty of people from all races(blacks, latino's, etc.) have said they intend to vote for Trump. Hell hispanic governors who took shots at Trump in the past are now endorsing him.

So this "it's only immature white men" is nonsense. Also, why beat around the bush? Just say what you really mean lol. Which what you meant to say was "racist white men". Because it's easier for people like you to think it's just foaming at the mouth racists who support Trump.

Also just to be clear, you know Hilary is in the SAME boat as Trump when it comes to a lot of people hating her, right? Both her and Trump have had some of the most unfavorable ratings in history lol. Except the difference is Trump has only been a politician for a short time and is a controversial figure who most likely purposely says provocative shit in order to get a rise out of people. Hilary has been one for decades and yet a lot of people still hate her and it's not because she tries to provoke people it is because Hilary is being Hilary.

Lest is a racist himself so you should not be surprised.

Yes les is a racist who is very child like. Always using his parents as examples or the goal post. Dude needs to get a job and grow up.

It's not just racism it's a basic disregard for reality.

Originally posted by Surtur
Literally every single thing you said in this post was wrong.

First off we know that it's not just "immature white men" who support Trump and will vote for him. Plenty of females have said they too will vote for him. Plenty of people from all races(blacks, latino's, etc.) have said they intend to vote for Trump. Hell hispanic governors who took shots at Trump in the past are now endorsing him.

So this "it's only immature white men" is nonsense. Also, why beat around the bush? Just say what you really mean lol. Which what you meant to say was "racist white men". Because it's easier for people like you to think it's just foaming at the mouth racists who support Trump.

Also just to be clear, you know Hilary is in the SAME boat as Trump when it comes to a lot of people hating her, right? Both her and Trump have had some of the most unfavorable ratings in history lol. Except the difference is Trump has only been a politician for a short time and is a controversial figure who most likely purposely says provocative shit in order to get a rise out of people. Hilary has been one for decades and yet a lot of people still hate her and it's not because she tries to provoke people it is because Hilary is being Hilary.

Eeh no. And you guys say I'm out of touch with reality? Trump has alienated a huge chunk of nation which he'll need votes from to win. Also, yea people hate Hillary, but they don't hate Trump. They FEAR Trump. His jingoism combined with his inexperience in governmental foreign affairs will undoubtedly start WWIII and everyone (not blinded by their silly liberal hate) can see it. Why the hell do you think he's getting so much international coverage? Fear trumps hate (no pun intended).

If you honestly think voters will be petty enough to skip out on the November election or vote against Hillary out of spite when Trump is threatening WWIII, again as I said, your thinking is childishly immature.

Lol there is no "eeh no". People of all races and genders have stated their intentions to vote for Trump. Thus it is out of touch with reality to say only white men will vote for him. Just as out of touch as I'd be if I said only females will vote for Hilary.

Plus we all know you meant racist white men, let us not forget that.

Keep in mind I never said Trump would get enough votes to win, just that his votes will definitely be coming from more then just racist white folk.

You can also call it fear or hate or whatever, but Trump and Clinton both have high disapproval ratings. Yep people fear Trump because they believe 100% in the rhetoric he spews and actually think he'd cause World War 3 lol. Clinton went into this with decades of experience, as someone who doesn't outright try to say provocative things, and as someone who will essentially tell you what you want to hear..and she STILL got the high disapproval rating.

The fact that Trump could say all the shit he has said and people still don't hate him more then Hilary speaks volumes lol. It shows Trump has already won. Even if he loses the election the fact he got this far is a victory. The fact people hate Hilary just as much as him is a victory.

Well you are right. It won't just be coming from racist whites. There are a lot of other ignorant jingoists out there of all different ethnicities and genders. His support base is preeminently uneducated white males though. Look at your Jade-Helm-conspiracy-theorist friend TI if you don't believe me.

You aren't getting me though, not only are all his supporters not white, they are also not all racist ignorant people either.

Yep, some intelligent informed people actually support Trump. But hey lets ignore the various factors that lead to someone like this getting so popular in the first place and just pretend it's all ignorant racist people. That will surely make all the problems in the country that lead to his popularity in the first place disappear.

All of Trump's stances are massively ignorant, so how is anybody who supports them not ignorant? Educational background has nothing to do with close-mindedness (although the fact that Trump "loves the uneducated" should speak for itself).

Are you going to deny that the majority of his base are uneducated whites? It may not be 100%, but it's more than 50%, meaning they are the majority.

And you say let's focus on the factors that led to his election, yet I haven't seen you correct the ignorance of your Trump-supporting friend TI, and you are more willing to address lone black criminals than police corruption (funny you post stuff about blacks being criminals but nothing about the NYPD admitting they become fiercer around quota time, or even better, you call the Ferguson protesters savages yet haven't said anything about the DOJ proven police corruption of the Ferguson PD). So do you REALLY want to focus on the issues? Doesn't seem like it.

I know lots of Mexican people who will be voting trump

Originally posted by Lestov16
All of Trump's stances are massively ignorant, so how is anybody who supports them not ignorant? Educational background has nothing to do with close-mindedness (although the fact that Trump "loves the uneducated" should speak for itself).

You show why it's important to understand how he became so popular. You see not every supporter agree's with everything he says. Some support him because they agree with his core message. Like there are people who think building a wall is stupid, but on the other hand they do like that Trump appears to take a tougher stance on immigration. So you see it's not all about ignorance.

Are you going to deny that the majority of his base are uneducated whites? It may not be 100%, but it's more than 50%, meaning they are the majority.

I can't confirm or deny it as I haven't seen any studies about the percentage of people who follow Trump that are uneducated. Likewise I don't know your definition of "uneducated". To me, if someone hasn't graduated high school they are uneducated.

And you say let's focus on the factors that led to his election, yet I haven't seen you correct the ignorance of your Trump-supporting friend TI

I don't quite understand how pointing out we need to understand how he became so popular means that I have to correct the apparent ignorance of people. I've been saying it's not just ignorance that some like Trump. It doesn't mean some people don't like him for the wrong reasons. Just like I'm sure some people support Hilary for the wrong reasons(like her gender).

and you are more willing to address lone black criminals than police corruption (funny you post stuff about blacks being criminals but nothing about the NYPD admitting they become fiercer around quota time, or even better, you call the Ferguson protesters savages yet haven't said anything about the DOJ proven police corruption of the Ferguson PD). So do you REALLY want to focus on the issues? Doesn't seem like it.

Lol what? I don't just address "lone" black criminals. I address the community itself as well. I've also mentioned police corruption before, and talked specifically about the corruption of the police in Chicago.

You see the difference to me is I don't think police corruption is an issue that goes largely unnoticed. I don't think police corruption has become taboo to talk about. I don't think police corruption has become so normalized people are used to seeing things about corrupt cops. I talk about black criminals because I feel sometimes people focus on less pressing issues in order to ignore the issues in the community.

Also what does the Ferguson looters and fire starters being savages have to do with police corruption? They weren't looting because of police corruption. If they had a corrupt police department then yes those officers should be removed. It is wrong for cops to be corrupt, just like it is wrong to show you are upset over a black man being killed by looting and burning the businesses of other black men.

I focus on the issues I see more often. I live in Chicago, so when I turn on the news am I more likely to see reports about police officers breaking the law or reports of black criminals murdering people? You and I both know the unfortunate answer to that question.

To ****ing bad people, Trump will be president.

He cleared the republican field and now is clearing Crooked Hilary and the Elidian Warren.

Trump's actually polled pretty well with women, old, young, educated, undereducated..

And if Trump nets the racist vote, the policy of going for the throat of anyone who makes a gaffe probably helped flame that.

Think the Yale students shouting at a student life director. That kind of shite just makes bystandere think "Jesus, I'd better keep my mouth shut".

Because repression has no negative consquences whatsoever. **** the carrot, sticks for everybody!

Originally posted by Surtur
Literally every single thing you said in this post was wrong.

First off we know that it's not just "immature white men" who support Trump and will vote for him. Plenty of females have said they too will vote for him. Plenty of people from all races(blacks, latino's, etc.) have said they intend to vote for Trump. Hell hispanic governors who took shots at Trump in the past are now endorsing him.

So this "it's only immature white men" is nonsense. Also, why beat around the bush? Just say what you really mean lol. Which what you meant to say was "racist white men". Because it's easier for people like you to think it's just foaming at the mouth racists who support Trump.

Also just to be clear, you know Hilary is in the SAME boat as Trump when it comes to a lot of people hating her, right? Both her and Trump have had some of the most unfavorable ratings in history lol. Except the difference is Trump has only been a politician for a short time and is a controversial figure who most likely purposely says provocative shit in order to get a rise out of people. Hilary has been one for decades and yet a lot of people still hate her and it's not because she tries to provoke people it is because Hilary is being Hilary.

Meh, you're taking what Lest said way too literal. Obviously they'll be women, blacks, Mexicans (and other Latinos) etc that will vote for him. A certain percentage of wives (especially the older generations) vote in line with their husbands, at least I recall reading that years ago. So Trump has that going for him, as he seems to be most popular with men, especially older.

The real question is: can Trump gather a percentage of the female, black, Hispanic etc. that will matter. Because if he only manages to pull something like 20% of the female vote, that's hardly winning with females.

I'm very interested come election night in seeing how he does with certain groups.

Originally posted by cdtm
Trump's actually polled pretty well with women, old, young, educated, undereducated..

And if Trump nets the racist vote, the policy of going for the throat of anyone who makes a gaffe probably helped flame that.

Think the Yale students shouting at a student life director. That kind of shite just makes bystandere think "Jesus, I'd better keep my mouth shut".

Because repression has no negative consquences whatsoever. **** the carrot, sticks for everybody!

Temporary banning non American foreign muslims from entering the country till we can vet who is coming in is not racist. Where was it stated that Islam was a race or ethnicity? Islam is a conquest Ideology with religious aspects.

I said this as well: muslims are not a race. It's a religion..a religion with some very very disturbing beliefs and the thing is..it's not just crazed Muslim radicals who believe these things. 50% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal. Thus these people feel you should be fined or put in jail over being gay. These are the tolerant people?

Originally posted by Robtard
Meh, you're taking what Lest said way too literal. Obviously they'll be women, blacks, Mexicans (and other Latinos) etc that will vote for him. A certain percentage of wives (especially the older generations) vote in line with their husbands, at least I recall reading that years ago. So Trump has that going for him, as he seems to be most popular with men, especially older.

The real question is: can Trump gather a percentage of the female, black, Hispanic etc. that will matter. Because if he only manages to pull something like 20% of the female vote, that's hardly winning with females.

I'm very interested come election night in seeing how he does with certain groups.

When someone says "only white men will vote for Trump" then how else do you take it? There is a difference between "only white men will vote for him" and "a majority of his supporters are white men". But then that idea also isn't necessarily correct. It's not just uneducated white men that make up a majority of his supporters. So it's even still asinine to imply 90% of the people will be uneducated racist white men. Since of course that is what is meant by "immature white men". You know that, right?

I've said this before: people of all walks of life supporting Trump doesn't fit into the neat little narrative about this election that some people have in their head. Which is why it is outright dangerous to try to pretend like Trump becoming this popular isn't indicative of something besides "gosh darn racist white folks loving Trump". It's just easier to dismiss them all if you just group them all into the same "bunch of racist white ppl" group.