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Jindal is out

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Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal suspended his campaign for the White House Tuesday amid persistent fundraising and polling troubles.

“This is not my time, so I am suspending my campaign for President,” Jindal said in a statement released as he revealed his decision on Fox News.

Jindal had pinned all of his hopes on a pull-from-behind victory in Iowa with the help of conservative and evangelical voters, and following the model Rick Santorum laid out in 2012, was in the process of visiting each of the state’s 99 counties. He had claimed some movement in the polls—he’s at 3.3 percent in the RealClearPolitics average for the state—but it was not enough to save his campaign, which had no national organization.

He was once seen a rising Republican star, garnering national attention in 2009 when he delivered the Republican response to President Obama's economic address to a joint-session of Congress.

But the 44-year-old's meteoric rise hit a snag in the presidential race. A staunch conservative with strong ties to the evangelical community Jindal struggled to break out in a crowded Republican field that has seen political outsiders like billionaire businessman Donald Trump and Carson soar to the top of the polls.

He lagged in fundraising with just $1.2 million (by comparison Republican front-runner Ben Carson has reported receipts of more than $31 million) and never did well enough in the polls to make it onto one of the prime time debates.

Nationally, he's at 0.8%, and never had a notable amount, so this is a shock to no-one, and not something that's likely to affect others much.

The real surprise to many, is that he was still in.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not talking about some normal background check. I guess when you said potential scandals I imagined people really digging for dirt.

Isn't looking for dirt normal too? They'll dig deep because they're opposed, but they're still looking for stuff that's actually there.

One of the more logical things to do when facing someone, is find out as much as you can about them.

Like, Hillary has obviously been investigated a ton- and one of the things she ironically kinda has going for her was that stuff was used immediately rather than timing it.

my opinion is clearly hillary has the dem nomination

i knew it was so when her retarded fans clapped for her when she icily said "no" to answering that one guys criticisms over her email scandal in the first debate... they are just robots that will clap for anything the ant queen says or does... and bernie sanders obviously handed the nomination to her in that debate

so i most likely wont be voting this election... only thing that could possibly prompt me to vote hillary is ben carson.. and then again i feel that america deserves to crash and burn at this point if we are stupid enough to elect these people.

Originally posted by red g jacks

i knew it was so when her retarded fans clapped for her when she icily said "no" to answering that one guys criticisms over her email scandal in the first debate... they are just robots that will clap for anything the ant queen says or does... and bernie sanders obviously handed the nomination to her in that debate

Ant Queen is a bit much... I mean, she's talked about the e-mails a lot and done investigations, and there's no actual wrongdoing (I mean, the e-mails were to aids with clearance to begin with, they were only retroactively classified...). Not wanting to air it *again* made a lot of sense.

Bernie didn't hand her the nomination there- she was already double-digits up, and like Bernie will tell you, they're still both definitely more similar than different on a number of major matters.

Note how the latest debate was both Bernie and Hillary agreeing wall street reform should be done, but disputing on tactics as to how. If you like one, you probably should support the other. May not be perfect, but still, on issues, it's worthwhile to support who's closest to you, even if they aren't your first choice.

I've got some issues with Bernie- his stance on the Fed and foreign trade, for example- but I'd still definitely vote for him over anyone talking about deporting millions of people or similar extreme stances. Or who won't reform wall-street at all.

so i most likely wont be voting this election... only thing that could possibly prompt me to vote hillary is ben carson.. and then again i feel that america deserves to crash and burn at this point if we are stupid enough to elect these people.

I hate to hear that kinda thing! Voting participation matters, and does help send a message that you'll be an involved voter next time and candidates should pay attention to you.

Former Staffer: "Hilary is often confused"
😂

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-email-reveals-top-aide-huma-abedin-warning-state-department-staffer-that-hillary-clinton-is-often-confused/

Why Bobby Jindal's campaign failed

Jindal was best known as a policy wonk before this campaign, but he tried to merge that wonkiness with hard-core conservatism. He ended up with one foot in the Christian conservative camp and one in the establishment wing of the party. What did that get him? A high net-favorability rating in Iowa (where he visited frequently), but little else. If you try to please everyone, you risk pleasing no one."

"indal, Perry and Walker’s struggles reflect the unusual nature of a now 14-candidate Republican field: At this stage, it may be better to be the first choice of a medium number of voters than the second or third choice of a lot of voters. In the past, winning candidates appealed to multiple wings of the party. George W. Bush did well with the establishment and Christian conservatives in 2000. John McCain did well with the establishment and moderates in 2008. At this point in the campaign, 2016 voters have so many choices that they don’t need to settle.

Definitely an interesting thing- all three of the drop outs so far are people with one foot in the establishment, one foot out. In such a divided field, being strongly in one camp is better, especially as some of the camps really are leery of establishment crossover.

Just embarrassing

Judicial Watch today released more than 35 pages of emails former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s top aide Huma Abedin revealing that Abedin advised Clinton aide and frequent companion Monica Hanley that it was “very important” to go over phone calls with Clinton because the former Secretary of State was “often confused.” The emails, from Abedin’s “[email protected]” address, also reveal repeated security breaches, with the Secretary’s schedule and movements being sent and received through Abedin’s non-governmental and unsecured Clinton server account. The emails document requests for special State Department treatment for a Clinton Foundation associate and Abedin’s mother, a controversial Islamist leader.

The Abedin email material contains a January 26, 2013, email exchange with Clinton aide Monica Hanley regarding Clinton’s schedule in which Abedin says Clinton is “often confused:”

Abedin: Have you been going over her calls with her? So she knows singh is at 8? [India Prime Minister Manmohan Singh]
Hanley: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her
Abedin: Very imp to do that. She’s often confused.
The newly released Abedin emails included a lengthy exchange giving precise details of the Clinton schedule on the Secretary’s final full day in office, Wednesday, January 31, 2013. The email from Lona J. Valmoro, former Special Assistant to Secretary of State Clinton, to Abedin, other top State Department staff, and Clinton associates, reveals exact times (including driving times) and locations of all appointments throughout the day:

8:25 am DEPART Private Residence

En route to State Department

[drive time: 10 minutes]

***

1:40 pm DEPART State Department

En route to Council on Foreign Relations

[drive time: 15 minutes]

***

3:05 pm DEPART Council on Foreign Relations

En route to State Department

[drive time: 15 minutes]

***

6:00 pm DEPART State Department

En route to Private Residence

[drive time: 5 minutes]

The detailed schedule provided in the Abedin email contains an annotation reading: “The information contained in this email is not to be shared, forwarded or duplicated.”

Another Abedin email provides details about a meeting with Saudi Arabia’s leadership.

The Abedin correspondence includes several instances in which the Clinton top aide attempted to obtain special treatment from the State Department for business associates and relatives. In the first instance, Abedin apparently worked with Teneo co-founder and Clinton Global Initiative official Doug Band to intercede on behalf of an individual seeking a visa. In the second instance, Huma Abedin received an email from her mother, Saleha Abedin (a controversial Islamist activist) who founded and serves as dean at Dar al-Hekma University in Saudi Arabia. In the December 11, 2011, email, Saleha Abedin seeks the assistance of her daughter to help the president of her college, Dr. Suhair al Qurashi, attend a State Department “Women in Public Service” ceremony, which included remarks by Hillary Clinton. (Mrs. Clinton spoke at Dar al-Hekma University in 2010. Dr. Qurashi and Saleha Abedin introduced Mrs. Clinton’s speech and moderated the subsequent discussion.)

“Huma Abedin’s description of Hillary Clinton as ‘easily confused’ tells you all you need to know why it took a federal lawsuit to get these government emails from Clinton’s illegal email server ,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “These emails also show that Hillary Clinton’s and Huma Abedin’s decision to use the Clinton email server to conduct government business was dangerous and risky.”

The documents were obtained by Judicial Watch on October 30, 2015, in response to a June 5 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed against the State Department, after it failed to respond to a March 18 FOIA request seeking:

Emails of official State Department business received or sent by former Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin from January 1, 2009 through February 1, 2013 using a non-“state.gov” email address.

“Huma Abedin’s description of Hillary Clinton as ‘easily confused’ tells you all you need to know why it took a federal lawsuit to get these government emails from Clinton’s illegal email server ,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “These emails also show that Hillary Clinton’s and Huma Abedin’s decision to use the Clinton email server to conduct government business was dangerous and risky.”

Sounds like Tom Fitton is "easily confused" as a) the quote about Clinton is "often confused" and b) the email servers were not illegal.

*Reads it over*

Kinda 'meh' really. Is the use of confused the only issue there? I mean, aside from calling everything on the account a 'security breach' when it's just information going between cleared aids who have authorization and reason to have access to the information?

You'd think with all the fuss made about it, there'd be a real smoking gun.

It's also taken out of context, implying she is "easily confused" about topics, when really it's talking about she's "often confused" about her schedule (that other people make for her). So fair enough, she shouldn't be in charge of scheduling her appointments, good thing she's running for president not party planner.

I will give credit that at least it's a real thing and not a made-up thing.

I can see the attack ads now....

*Ominous Noise*

"Hillary Clinton can't even manage her own schedule... she loses track of times and places...

what else will she lose track of?"

*Video footage shows Fort Knox vanishing while President Clinton looks confused*

*Ominous noise again*

Her e-mails, she lost track of those a few times.

Well all I can say is..it looks like you are trying to impugn her integrity. Nobody is allowed to do that except her husband.

😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Her e-mails, she lost track of those a few times.

Not to a degree that a year long investigation and 10 hour congressional hearing could uncover any wrongdoing whatsoever...

Since when did congress do anything that works?

Well, they did the Affordable Care Act..

😂

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's also taken out of context, implying she is "easily confused" about topics, when really it's talking about she's "often confused" about her schedule (that other people make for her). So fair enough, she shouldn't be in charge of scheduling her appointments, good thing she's running for president not party planner.

Just another example of her not being the person we need in office. She can't manage her schedule but she should be president?

Only in the world we live in now can incompetence land you a presidency. I mean is there really anything she could do that would deter you from liking her?

What would it take, embezzlement of government funds? Short of that or she was having people killed, I don't really think there is anything that would change your mind about her.

We all know she somehow gets out of everything with her clean white cloth.

Originally posted by Q99
Ant Queen is a bit much... I mean, she's talked about the e-mails a lot and done investigations, and there's no actual wrongdoing (I mean, the e-mails were to aids with clearance to begin with, they were only retroactively classified...). Not wanting to air it *again* made a lot of sense.

Bernie didn't hand her the nomination there- she was already double-digits up, and like Bernie will tell you, they're still both definitely more similar than different on a number of major matters.

Note how the latest debate was both Bernie and Hillary agreeing wall street reform should be done, but disputing on tactics as to how. If you like one, you probably should support the other. May not be perfect, but still, on issues, it's worthwhile to support who's closest to you, even if they aren't your first choice.

I've got some issues with Bernie- his stance on the Fed and foreign trade, for example- but I'd still definitely vote for him over anyone talking about deporting millions of people or similar extreme stances. Or who won't reform wall-street at all.

I hate to hear that kinda thing! Voting participation matters, and does help send a message that you'll be an involved voter next time and candidates should pay attention to you.

but when it comes right down to it there was a fundamental difference between the two that comes down to whether or not to bring back glass-steagall... separating commercial banking from investment banking. hillary was very careful not to specifically endorse this idea... because she has no intention of pursuing that sort of thing. she's much more of an establishment figure than sanders.. and after all it was her goofy ass pimp of a husband that presided over the repeal of glass -steagall in the first place... so how the **** is she going to look by agreeing that this was one of the basic systemic causes of the 2008 crash?

i'm telling you, man. she's a pro-establishment shill. she only pretends to care about being "tough on wall st" because this strips bernie sanders of the ability to really compete with her for president... at this point sanders is just hoping for a position in the new regime, i think.

Her son is a hedge fund manager on wall street, so funny to hear people say she's against them😂