General Primary Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Fact-checking the 2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

Fact-checking the 2016 Republican Presidential Candidates

Honestly, it is like you live in an alternate reality.

Interesting. 🙂

Do you ever have anything to actually say?

Clinton said last night she does not get money from wallstreet any more since she started her campaign😂

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/bernie-sanders-hits-hillary-clinton-wall-street/

All of her other lies

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/democratic-town-hall-fact-check/

YouTube video

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/democratic-town-hall-highlights/

Dear God she is dumb

Ease up some, son. Else someone might get the wrong impression that you despise Hillary Clinton.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Fact-checking the 2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

Fact-checking the 2016 Republican Presidential Candidates

Honestly, it is like you live in an alternate reality.

I do want to note that 'false' can just be not fact checking, making an error, etc.. Only 'pants on fire' means definitely lies- and he's got three times as many.

Or by percentages, if one checks, 1% of Hillary's checked statements are pof, 7% of Cruz's.

No Republican candidate matches her honesty ratio- the closest being Jeb, at 3%.

You sound just like a Hilary, blame republicans and talk about them as much as possible.

The republicans are not her problem, her problem is Sanders and the FBI and the Obama justice department.

How about you get off this republican blame game and start coming up with some new material, because right now you sound pathetic.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You sound just like a Hilary, blame republicans and talk about them as much as possible.

You spend all the time blaming people.

Do you not get the irony of, (1) you starting a conversation acting like something is the worst thing ever, (2) other people pointing out the person you're accusing does it not-very-much-at-all and people you support do it far more, (3) you acting like other people pointing this out, either how she's more honest than you give credit or how you openly support people who lie much more, is a totally unfair digression even though you started the line of conversation?

You're the one who brings it up, don't get shocked when you get judged by the standards you insist upon.

I'd rather talk policy, but if you do nothing but try the same line of attacks, of *course* people are going to hold you and your candidates to the same line of reasoning.

The republicans are not her problem, her problem is Sanders and the FBI and the Obama justice department.

Note the FBI thing was a rumor started by the same person who admitted the Benghazi investigation was a way to attack Hillary's poll numbers. Specifically he said the FBI would 'indict' Hillary... and the FBI doesn't indict people to begin with. It's a third party who doesn't get how the FBI works.

The Justice Department, who can indict, has already gone over the e-mails and gave them a resounding, 'Meh, Don't care.'

Sanders is the only problem in that list, simply because he's an actual opponent. And he's a problem not because of any petty scandals, but because he has an alternate set of beliefs and policy which he is presenting, she's presenting hers, and then the people decide which they like more.

Which is why policy talk matters, much as you don't like discussing it in favor of scandals which usually putter out and turn out to be far more minor than you'd like.

I didn't read anything you wrote on your normal night rant.Focus on Sanders besting your dog, and quit blaming republicans.

It's old.

Sanders was on point last night.

To big to fail banks are bigger now (MUCH MUCH BIGGER.)

Wallstreet (and hillarys money)

Corporations not paying taxes and using islands to safeguard money from taxes.

Poor poor Hillary still believes she should be president because shes a woman.

I think they were both good, I preferred Sanders, as always, but it was a very interesting debate mainly talking about their policies, and obviously there really is more agreement than not on almost all points.

So since immigration is an issue, what percentage of illegals in this country pay taxes?

Originally posted by Surtur
So since immigration is an issue, what percentage of illegals in this country pay taxes?

The better question is federal income taxes. Everybody is going to pay some taxes through purchases and other misc things.

Illegal immigrants do use welfare services both directly and indirectly as well. As well as have a cost that is associated with services provided by our govt.

My problem is that they are illegal and we have a broken system that likes to cater to illegal immigrants in many forms.

Originally posted by Surtur
So since immigration is an issue, what percentage of illegals in this country pay taxes?

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes

Of course it would be even better to extend a legal status to them and ensure that they pay even more than they already do.

On the whole immigration, and illegal immigration in particular, has a huge beneficial influence on the US, besides the paying of taxes, illegal immigrants taking very low paid jobs that no Americans want to do ensure the cheap availability of many goods for many Americans.

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes

Of course it would be even better to extend a legal status to them and ensure that they pay even more than they already do.

On the whole immigration, and illegal immigration in particular, has a huge beneficial influence on the US, besides the paying of taxes, illegal immigrants taking very low paid jobs that no Americans want to do ensure the cheap availability of many goods for many Americans.

Also, they have a higher rate of starting new businesses, and in inventing new technologies.

The 'start from the bottom,' effect and outsider point of view often results in coming at things from different angles and having good drive. It's not just a low-income job thing.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I didn't read anything you wrote on your normal night rant.Focus on Sanders besting your dog, and quit blaming republicans.

It's old.

Ah yes, the "Time can totally blame Democrats, but when people hold his candidates to the same standards he *just* brought up, he complains and says we're not allowed to do that," strategy.

And 'complain about anything more than a few sentences being too hard for you to read, especially when it's something you don't have a response for.

How's that work out for you?

Hillary definitely out-performs Bernie when it comes to foreign policy consistently, especially in last night's MSNBC debate, but I guess that should be expected from a former Secretary of State. I side more with Bernie on domestic issues, but his lack of interest in foreign policy is kind of worrisome, especially with the issues that are facing the U.S. today.

He needs to be more well-rounded and refine his approach with foreign policy.

Yes but the question Surtur asked was focused on illegal immigrants not legal ones.

Most studies have shown first generation immigrants cost more then they generate.

Illegal immigrants are a huge cost and burden to the USA. Let's not confuse talking points by showing what legal immigrants provide/do.