Superman vs Thor: fist fight

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has actual stories in that regard that he can lower his durability/strength based on his mental state and has actual mental blocks to suppress his true power.

In fact he lost his powers completely when he had amnesia and regained them when he got his memories back in Action Comics 586.

He remained depowered for one year because he didn't want them in 52.

As soon as he wanted his powers back, they were back.

Thor doesn't works like that. Never has.

The reasons he doesn't perform to his capabilities really don't matter, what matters is how he performs on average and it's not how you guys portray him to be. For some reason you can't wrap your brain around that and h1 is actually a lot worse than you. If Superman wants to cost himself his life for no good reason, that's on him. And yes, Thor HAS been portrayed as only using 30% of his power on earth.

Originally posted by carver9
There was context to the Hulk and Sampson fight though. None with the Konvikt showing. Don't see anything wrong with the showing anyways. Konvikt was a beast and Superman did well when Konvikt amped up.

Just like Superman thought Konvikt couldn't hurt him.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The question is, what difference does that make? His KO is still 100% valid. So a herald BEAT Superman by KHTFO.

He just took him by surprise at how hard he hit him.

So Thor lost to Hank Pym?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The reasons he doesn't perform to his capabilities really don't matter, what matters is how he performs on average and it's not how you guys portray him to be. For some reason you can't wrap your brain around that and h1 is actually a lot worse than you. If Superman wants to cost himself his life for no good reason, that's on him. And yes, Thor HAS been portrayed as only using 30% of his power on earth.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
There is nothing wrong with the showing and it counts as a loss for Superman. Again, what happened to Superman's super intellect, durability and speed? Shouldn't he have saw the punch in slow motion? 😱

Originally posted by abhilegend
The context is that the hulk thought Samson was an illusion and couldn't hurt him.

Just like Superman thought Konvikt couldn't hurt him.
Hank Pym stunned Thor with a dropkick. Not superstrong Giant man. Regular Hank Pym.

He just took him by surprise at how hard he hit him.

So Thor lost to Hank Pym?

Completely different. Superman just seen Konvikt rip through the JLA, no reason for him to be surprised Konvikt had enough strength to clean his clock. Savage Hulk is just an idiot. If Savage Hulk seen Sampson rip through the Avengers and still got dropped with a hit, then that speaks volumes.

Originally posted by carver9
Completely different. Superman just seen Konvikt rip through the JLA, no reason for him to be surprised Konvikt had enough strength to clean his clock. Savage Hulk is just an idiot. If Savage Hulk seen Sampson rip through the Avengers and still got dropped with a hit, then that speaks volumes.

When in an actual slugfest, Superman was beating the shit out of him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except he did. So no speculations needed.

When in an actual slugfest, Superman was beating the shit out of him.

Not speculating bro, speaking the truth.

Superman AND Wonder Woman was working him and Superman did good solo against him which speaks volumes since we clearly seen Konvikt at a lower power level work the JLA. Be happy with what you got and stop trying to overhyped things and underselling Konvikt.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except he did. So no speculations needed.

When in an actual slugfest, Superman was beating the shit out of him.

Again, what happened to his super speed, durability and intellect? Doesn't matter if you won't answer the question, it's a loss and it counts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Has he? I'm sure you're going to post a scan from What If Civil War.

Go ahead and prove me wrong.

So you aren't going to rebut? Then I win and the loss counts.

Originally posted by carver9
Not speculating bro, speaking the truth.

Superman AND Wonder Woman was working him and Superman did good solo against him which speaks volumes since we clearly seen Konvikt at a lower power level work the JLA. Be happy with what you got and stop trying to overhyped things and underselling Konvikt.

So yes, you're speculating. Superman was alone working him as you put it.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt2.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt3.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt4.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt5.jpg

This Konvikt was actually stronger.

Get the **** out of here with your BS. At this point nobody takes you seriously.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Again, what happened to his super speed, durability and intellect? Doesn't matter if you won't answer the question, it's a loss and it counts.

😬

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So you aren't going to rebut? Then I win and the loss counts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman gave him a free hit. It was a cocky move and Superman was taken by surprise. Even the writer said so.

So yes, you're speculating. Superman was alone working him as you put it.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt2.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt3.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt4.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt5.jpg

This Konvikt was actually stronger.

Get the **** out of here with your BS. At this point nobody takes you seriously.

Wait a minute...can you read or not? I said that Konvikt was stronger in that form. I said Superman did well against him one on one. Diana stalemated Konvikt while Diana was gone and punched the wind out of him in the end. Everything I pointed out was true. Stop tripping over facts.

Lol at you throwing out people don't take me serious though. You of all people ...lol, ABHI.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why don't you try explaining how Thor held back his strength and durability?

Simple, read the comic.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yEMJgvIdYn8/U7a4fSWPfcI/AAAAAAAABQQ/d1ivXA7sP3c/s1600/wonder+woman_174_12+Superman_Lyta_Cheetah.jpg

Jimenez later clarified on CBR that the shield was there to dull his powers.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14615457&highlight=Jimenez+cheetah+userid%3A133437#post14615457

Really? Hmmm.. This an interview?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, is this a loss for Thor?

http://i.imgur.com/z8dGH3Q.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman gave him a free hit. It was a cocky move and Superman was taken by surprise. Even the writer said so.

So yes, you're speculating. Superman was alone working him as you put it.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt2.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt3.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt4.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesugkonvikt5.jpg

This Konvikt was actually stronger.

Get the **** out of here with your BS. At this point nobody takes you seriously.

So......Mongul's top notch training resulted in Superman misjudging the power of villain who demonstrated team wrecker ability and allowed him a free shot? Yeah, the loss counts.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The instance you're referring is from a What If. It's non canon.

Thor also said he has always held back when he fought Ironman upon his return.

But Superman's loss counts. He has been beaten and even killed by heralds.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute...can you read or not? I said that Konvikt was stronger in that form. I said Superman did well against him one on one. Diana stalemated Konvikt while Diana was gone and punched the wind out of him in the end. Everything I pointed out was true. Stop tripping over facts.

Lol at you throwing out people don't take me serious though. You of all people ...lol, ABHI.

I'll have you know that Abby is taken VERY seriously by the Kal Foundation.

So Superman has taken his measure, huh? Wonder where he got that phraseology from. 😉

Granted Cheetah had the drop on him, but I'm not seeing how his powers were "dulled".. Looks to me Cheetah was able to overwhelm him quickly enough before Clark could mount a proper counter.

So that's three herald beat downs right there.