Originally posted by psmith81992
You're wrong. And they may be shitty orders because you don't understand them and since youre already an atheist, it doesn't help your point.
Well, I don't buy into the "I don't understand them, but they must be right cause I believe in who allegedly made them" ... I think people have moral responsibilities and outsourcing them like that is bad.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Or maybe they just like to play with other boys?
Yes, of course they just like to play with other boys, but there's reasons for that, it doesn't just happen it a vacuum, and it is because society has created such a rift between genders that makes it hard for young children to relate to and understand children of the other gender. This discussion doesn't really belong in here though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I don't buy into the "I don't understand them, but they must be right cause I believe in who allegedly made them" ... I think people have moral responsibilities and outsourcing them like that is bad.
You are an atheist so you don't believe in God and you think the bible is stupid, so you and I would never agree. But this isn't about hate or bigotry, unless that's what you see as an atheist.
Originally posted by Star428
...and it's always been clear to me that people like you, OP, who create baiting threads like this are just trolls who shouldn't be taken seriously so you're going on ignore.
You called me out first by calling me "baby killing lefty" in a way to avoid attention of a well known and poisonous sectarian organisation. Why don't you **** off and cry somewhere else.
Originally posted by psmith81992
You are an atheist so you don't believe in God and you think the bible is stupid, so you and I would never agree. But this isn't about hate or bigotry, unless that's what you see as an atheist.
However, again, the picking and choosing that modern religions do, many to the detriment of gays (but not women on their periods, or shellfish, etc.), is a human decision, and it comes from bigotry and hatred. It doesn't necessarily mean that all adherents hate gay people, but they are following an interpretation of the bible that is based on that hatred nonetheless.
Originally posted by Bardock42Every human picks and chooses what to follow, this isn't news. Are you saying all religious groups pick and choose or claiming bigotry and hatred against those that do?
Atheists don't necessarily think the bible is stupid, there are many teaching in there, some of which I do agree with. Especially the Jesus guy and his being nice to people thing. I don't believe it is a tome of absolute morals or connected to anything supernatural.However, again, the picking and choosing that modern religions do, many to the detriment of gays (but not women on their periods, or shellfish, etc.), is a human decision, and it comes from bigotry and hatred. It doesn't necessarily mean that all adherents hate gay people, but they are following an interpretation of the bible that is based on that hatred nonetheless.
Lewis, you started this thread by crying, and then have the nerve to be hypocritical.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Every human picks and chooses what to follow, this isn't news. Are you saying all religious groups pick and choose or claiming bigotry and hatred against those that do?Lewis, you started this thread by crying, and then have the nerve to be hypocritical.
I'm saying all religious groups pick and choose AND those choosing to condemn or separate gays are bigoted and full of hatred.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, of course they just like to play with other boys, but there's reasons for that, it doesn't just happen it a vacuum, and it is because society has created such a rift between genders that makes it hard for young children to relate to and understand children of the other gender. This discussion doesn't really belong in here though.
/facepalm
As a parent, I call BS on your entire line of logic. Kids don't understand or are taught gender differences to that extent at ages 2-4 but boys still keep to other boys because they tend to play much more physical than girls (like my daughter).
Seriously, in this day and age to claim that "society teaches rifts between genders" is just plain silly.
Originally posted by Bardock42That is a skewed version of religion. You're basically saying unless all of the religious tenets are followed, people pick and choose and are bigots. Thats incredibly incorrect. People follow what they can and gradually increase those rules. You're saying they have to start out following 100% which is an ignorant point.
I'm saying all religious groups pick and choose AND those choosing to condemn or separate gays are bigoted and full of hatred.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
/facepalmAs a parent, I call BS on your entire line of logic. Kids don't understand or are taught gender differences to that extent at ages 2-4 but boys still keep to other boys because they tend to play much more physical than girls (like my daughter).
Seriously, in this day and age to claim that "society teaches rifts between genders" is just plain silly.
Of course children have been thoroughly conditioned by the very obvious different treatments between genders by the age of 2...
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm saying all religious groups pick and choose AND those choosing to condemn or separate gays are bigoted and full of hatred.
Exactly, Religious people invent their own rules and only later do they find scriptural support for what they're claiming. For instance male homosexuality is explicitly condemned but female-female sex couplings are not. Hebrew scriptures say nothing about lesbianism and Talmudic scholars weren't that hostile to the practice. Christians can find allusions to lesbianism in Paul's epistles but it's not clear what female activities he's denouncing. If Paul had been speaking for God one would think he would unambiguously say what he means about bad girls.
Similarly, Christians nowadays tend to be fiercely anti-abortion but there's not a word in scripture to support that view. The Christians are forced to perform curious manipulations of text to arrive at the divine conclusion that abortion equals sin.
The New Testament clearly denounces divorce and remarriage but modern day Christians care nothing about the clear words of Jesus on that topic. Basically, believing Christians create their own memes as they go through life.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
/facepalmAs a parent, I call BS on your entire line of logic. Kids don't understand or are taught gender differences to that extent at ages 2-4 but boys still keep to other boys because they tend to play much more physical than girls (like my daughter).
Seriously, in this day and age to claim that "society teaches rifts between genders" is just plain silly.
Lol, what, where do you think gender inequality comes from?
Originally posted by psmith81992
That is a skewed version of religion. You're basically saying unless all of the religious tenets are followed, people pick and choose and are bigots. Thats incredibly incorrect. People follow what they can and gradually increase those rules. You're saying they have to start out following 100% which is an ignorant point.
I don't think that's a fair summary of what I'm saying.
There's two completely unrelated points I'm making
1) all religions choose what parts to believe in and what to value (hence the many different denominations based on the same book)
2) If an organisation chooses to discriminate against gays that is a decision made based on bigotry and hatred
Originally posted by Ayelewis
Exactly, Religious people invent their own rules and only later do they find scriptural support for what they're claiming. For instance male homosexuality is explicitly condemned but female-female sex couplings are not. Hebrew scriptures say nothing about lesbianism and Talmudic scholars weren't that hostile to the practice. Christians can find allusions to lesbianism in Paul's epistles but it's not clear what female activities he's denouncing. If Paul had been speaking for God one would think he would unambiguously say what he means about bad girls.Similarly, Christians nowadays tend to be fiercely anti-abortion but there's not a word in scripture to support that view. The Christians are forced to perform curious manipulations of text to arrive at the divine conclusion that abortion equals sin.
The New Testament clearly denounces divorce and remarriage but modern day Christians care nothing about the clear words of Jesus on that topic. Basically, believing Christians create their own memes as they go through life.
My lord, you have no understanding of religion and using your own skewed views to justify your argument. Ironically, you're calling the religious out on the same thing. Atheists are just as hypocritical, yet they hide it under the guise of rationality.
Originally posted by Bardock42But neither one of those points is accurate, and that's my point.
I don't think that's a fair summary of what I'm saying.There's two completely unrelated points I'm making
1) all religions choose what parts to believe in and what to value (hence the many different denominations based on the same book)
2) If an organisation chooses to discriminate against gays that is a decision made based on bigotry and hatred