I'm not expecting people to follow their tenets to excuse bad behavior, but I am expecting people to at least try to adhere to the religion they are apparently so passionate about.
Also the problem is I've seen a bunch of his other posts though when it comes to religion, so I take the "it is the other way around" a lot differently then you do. Obviously I can't know for sure the intent.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not expecting people to follow their tenets to excuse bad behavior, but I am expecting people to at least try to adhere to the religion they are apparently so passionate about.Also the problem is I've seen a bunch of his other posts though, so I take the "it is the other way around" a lot differently then you do.
That is what you are proposing actually. Ppl are human, one can only turn one's cheek enough times. It is actually better for ppl to just behave like decent human beings than it is to poke ppl with a stick to see how far they can go with what they believe in/how they feel. Can't believe this concept is even being argued.
Regardless of what he might have meant (as I can be just as wrong with my interpretation of it, maybe we should ask him to clarify?), it does not make what I just said any less valid. If we behave like decent human beings towards each other and try and understand each other and not behave like little douchebags, the world will be a better place.
Originally posted by Surtur
For me it just comes down to what my mother used to always say: practice what you preach. Don't preach love and acceptance and then..not do that, regardless of what others do. Especially online.
Haven't really seen Star preach love and acceptance around here and didn't really see him try to convert ppl....
Originally posted by Nibedicus
That is what you are proposing actually. Ppl are human, one can only turn one's cheek enough times. It is actually better for ppl to just behave like decent human beings than it is to poke ppl with a stick to see how far they can go with what they believe in/how they feel. Can't believe this concept is even being argued.Regardless of what he might have meant (as I can be just as wrong with my interpretation of it, maybe we should ask him to clarify?), it does not make what I just said any less valid. If we behave like decent human beings towards each other and try and understand each other and not behave like little douchebags, the world will be a better place.
This is a cop out though. Jesus never said one can only turn the other cheek enough times. Yes, people should act decent nobody is arguing that, but not everyone does..and that is the true test of someone. It's EASY to be nice and loving when people are nice and loving back. The true test of a persons faith is when they are not.
This is 100% what I was taught in school. If a person can't handle some d-bag online and the only course of action is to be an even bigger d-bag..well, there is a problem.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Haven't really seen Star preach love and acceptance around here and didn't really see him try to convert ppl....
Talking about Christians, which he claims to be. It's an all or nothing, you can't pick and choose what aspects of the religion you want to follow. Again, this is at least what I was taught.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You have to understand that insulting ppl's belief will make them feel bad. The same goes for insulting ppl's race/gender/age/sexual orientation/etc. Yes, the Cathiolic faith teaches one to "turn the other cheek", but isn't the onus really on you to behave like a decent human being and just y'know not say hurtful things (that yiu know are hurtful) to other ppl rather than it is for religious ppl to forgive you for what you do?He is not saying that he is better than you, he is saying that there are athiests all over the place (and that he is "done" with such ppl) that seem to feel that they are "morally/intellectually superior" for the sole reason that they are athiests (and if you go around the internet, you would know he is right).
Originally posted by psmith81992
In my lifetime, I've felt atheists portray moral/intellectual superiority over the religious, if only to conquer their insecurities and help themselves sleep at night.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
"The other way around" meaning that their -behavior- demontrates (by definition) the reverse of the moral superiority that they allude to having and that it specifically mentions the "know-it-all athiests", of a specific internet-borne group of condescending group of athiests that you find in abundance all over the internet. Or at least that is how I understand what he said.No, behaving as a decent human being is what goes "both ways". Expecting ppl to follow the tenets of their religion in order to excuse one from behaving as a decent human being is not going "both ways".
Yes, yes you can. But atm, Star is talking about super arrogant athiests, isn't he? The existence of one does not justify the actions of the other.
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Originally posted by Surtur
This is a cop out though. Jesus never said one can only turn the other cheek enough times. Yes, people should act decent, but not everyone does..and that is the true test of someone. It's EASY to be nice and loving when people are nice and loving back. The true test of a persons faith is when they are not.This is 100% what I was taught in school. If a person can't handle some d-bag online and the only course of action is to be an even bigger d-bag..well, there is a problem.
Wow. Ppl are ppl. They are not perfect and can have bouts of frustration and anger at times. The true test of someone is to act like a decent human beings first before expecting others to behave at a higher standard than he expects of himself just because others subscribe to a belief system.
No, the problem is the d-bag him/herself. If one d-bag creates another d-bag, we just end up with a d-bag epidemic. As with every epidemic, the original d-bag or as we shall call him: d-bag zero.
How about we all just try not to be d-bags first? Is that hard?
Originally posted by Surtur
I like that, how they can toss out stuff..sort of like a comic book. Probably because the old testament god was not so nice. But then if people criticize or point that out they are bashing religion.
Don't mind Trocity, he's universally recognized as an idiot, constantly embarrassing the atheist group.
Originally posted by Surtur
Talking about Christians, which he claims to be. It's an all or nothing, you can't pick and choose what aspects of the religion you want to follow. Again, this is at least what I was taught.
You seem go have a very all-or-nothing idea of what Christians/Catholics are. Almost as if you don't really see them as ppl, but as some sort of belief organism with a single function. That's not really how the world works. That's not how ppl work. Hell, even the Pope has recognized the fact that ppl follow the teaching in their own way, they do the best they can to be decent human beings and they use the teachings as a basis to determine the path they need to follow.
And what does that have anything to so with what I said? Behaving like decent human beings is what we all have to strive to be. And if you choose to be a d-bag and belittle ppl based on their belief system/race/sex/age/disabilities, then you are you have no right to try and stand on any moral high ground.
Originally posted by Surtur
I like that, how they can toss out stuff..sort of like a comic book. Probably because the old testament god was not so nice. But then if people criticize or point that out they are bashing religion.
As such, the way something is said has a lot to do with its impact, oftentimes more so than what information you are trying to relay.
I can say "statistically, Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) of all races and ethnicities remain the population most profoundly affected by HIV." Which would be fine.
But given a little creativity and the intention to offend, I can go out and say something really offensive and hurtful. Which would make me a d-bag.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wow. Ppl are ppl. They are not perfect and can have bouts of frustration and anger at times. The true test of someone is to act like a decent human beings first before expecting others to behave at a higher standard than he expects of himself just because others subscribe to a belief system.No, the problem is the d-bag him/herself. If one d-bag creates another d-bag, we just end up with a d-bag epidemic. As with every epidemic, the original d-bag or as we shall call him: d-bag zero.
How about we all just try not to be d-bags first? Is that hard?
But no, you can't blame a d-bag for turning someone else into one. These are not vampires.
Nobody is denying people should be decent, but they should try to practice what the religion they are so passionate about preaches. I never said they need to be perfect.