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Originally posted by Surtur
But no, you can't blame a d-bag for turning someone else into one. These are not vampires.

Nobody is denying people should be decent, but they should try to practice what the religion they are so passionate about preaches.

Hate begets hate. It IS technicallly, the d-bag's fault (as, if you reread my statement, it is based on my criteria of causality - it is specific causality, not a statement of how the world works in general) if you follow my reasoning. But no, douchebags are not vampires. But my logic is simply to point out that the original cause of a heated exchange was the cause (1 = 1 logic), the other guy is simply reacting.

Stop trying to insist a higher standard of conduct on other ppl just because of their belief system. If anything, you are just proving Star right. We all need to not behave like d-bags and that is the only standard that matters. Religion or not.

But no, it's not the d-bags fault because people have a choice to control how they react. This is not mathematics. So I'm sorry, but we'll just flat out disagree on that, if that is your opinion fine.

Originally posted by Surtur
But no, it's not the d-bags fault because people have a choice to control how they act. This is not mathematics. So I'm sorry, but we'll just flat out disagree on that, if that is your opinion fine.

Yes, if Russia bombs the US and the US bombs back, wiping out the whole world in a fiery world war, I would day both countries are stupid. But I would also say that Russia would be more at fault here.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yes, if Russia bombs the US and the US bombs back, wiping out the whole world in a fiery world war, I would day both countries are stupid. But I would also say that Russia would be more at fault here.

We aren't talking about bombs, but grown ass adults on an internet forum who can 100% control how they react.

Originally posted by Surtur
We aren't talking about bombs, but grown ass adults on an internet forum who can 100% control how they react to a situation.

If you do not get the conceptual similarities of what I said with what we are discussing then we might have a problem here...

hmm

I get it, but you are comparing wiping out the entire friggin world to a stranger insulting your religion online. So yep, we might have a problem.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Lol.. What a petulant child.

Yes, run away coward.

Originally posted by Surtur
I get it, but you are comparing wiping out the entire friggin world to a stranger insulting your religion online. So yep, we might have a problem.

I said "conceptual" similarities, not quantitive ones.

But the idea was to put a higher portion of the blame on the one that started the issue over the one reacting to it. It has a simple message: don't be the starter. And if you are, don't be so silly as to claim any kind of moral high ground right after.

Edit. But as you said, you already get it. So we might as well move on.

Originally posted by Ayelewis
Yes, run away coward.

I think we already know where the emotional imbecile (you) stands. I don't think anybody else is going to respond to your stupidity and I only do it out of the kindness of my heart.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wow. Ppl are ppl. They are not perfect and can have bouts of frustration and anger at times. The true test of someone is to act like a decent human beings first before expecting others to behave at a higher standard than he expects of himself just because others subscribe to a belief system.

No, the problem is the d-bag him/herself. If one d-bag creates another d-bag, we just end up with a d-bag epidemic. As with every epidemic, the original d-bag or as we shall call him: d-bag zero.

How about we all just try not to be d-bags first? Is that hard?

Exactly. I had to put Surtur on ignore not long ago because I got tired of all his God-bashing especially in religion forum so I refuse to converse with him but I find it humorous that he's trying to preach about Jesus' teachings when he thinks He is a myth or, at least, not divine. He even called God a "mass-murderer" in religion forum so that shows how ignorant he is regarding God.

What he doesn't understand is that I never claimed I was some kind of Saint like Christ Himself was (and still is). In fact, I sin many times every day and I haven't even been baptized yet. That doesn't change what I believe in though. As you say, the best people can do is try to act like decent human beings as best they can. But, when people make a statement like the person (think it was Bardock, iirc) did I quoted earlier in thread about God commiting "sadistic murders" or something similarly silly it strikes a nerve... and yes, I'm tired of all the arrogant atheists I run into on the internet who have a condescending attitude towards believers or even outright insult them or say say stupid things like "Where was your god when this tragedy happened?" or some other non-sense to try and piss us off. As if they are arrogant enough to think they can get us to question our beliefs. LOL.

You don't get it do you coward, you came into this thread defending a sectarian organisation and you cried about bigots who condone discrimination shouldn't be open to ridicule. You then claimed that if you ridicule religious scum, that makes a you a "lefty" or a "liberal"

You couldn't counter-argue what Christian Right-wing liars have done or said, despite the numerous incidents I posted.

You continue to be a liar and a freak.

Just to reiterate my point, you have offered no evidence or claims on defending stupid conservative groups who deny basic human rights or stand in the way of freedom and knowledge.

It's similar to the pro-terrorists who indirectly defend any Arab atrocity against Jews by claiming it's a false-flag operation to vilify Islam.

Again, Ayelewis, please calm down with the aggressive tone- in which respect, two wrongs don't make a right, psmith, so please don't fight back in kind.

Sorry, I just get carried away with people who refuse to make any valid points.

Originally posted by Star428
Exactly. I had to put Surtur on ignore not long ago because I got tired of all his God-bashing especially in religion forum so I refuse to converse with him but I find it humorous that he's trying to preach about Jesus' teachings when he thinks He is a myth or, at least, not divine. He even called God a "mass-murderer" in religion forum so that shows how ignorant he is regarding God.

What he doesn't understand is that I never claimed I was some kind of Saint like Christ Himself was (and still is). In fact, I sin many times every day and I haven't even been baptized yet. That doesn't change what I believe in though. As you say, the best people can do is try to act like decent human beings as best they can. But, when people make a statement like the person (think it was Bardock, iirc) did I quoted earlier in thread about God commiting "sadistic murders" or something similarly silly it strikes a nerve... and yes, I'm tired of all the arrogant atheists I run into on the internet who have a condescending attitude towards believers or even outright insult them or say say stupid things like "Where was your god when this tragedy happened?" or some other non-sense to try and piss us off. As if they are arrogant enough to think they can get us to question our beliefs. LOL.

Oh please, I bashed the biblical God who is, by definition, a mass murderer. You can put me on ignore if that *fact* bothers you. You call me ignorant for pointing out facts. When you kill everyone on the planet save for a few people that is mass murder regardless of if they are wicked. This is why I can't take you seriously and this is why I talk about context. I never said you were a saint, but this isn't a one time thing for you though.

Do not blame me for your bible. I did not write it but I have the right to comment on it if it is being discussed, I never made a topic specifically to do this. This is why people need to go read all your crazy ass posts in the religion forum before commenting.

The bible also advocates rape, murder, slavery, and many other horrible things.

Why the **** would you take ancient scripture that seriously? It's moronic.

The bible makes no sense. "I God, love all things, but sometimes you must show tough love, SO BURN DOWN THEIR VILLAGE, RAVAGE AND KILL THE NON-BELIEVERS!"

God has directly killed more people in the bible then Satan, he's wiped out entire cities filled with people. Now, I wouldn't call him a mass-murderer, but the God in the bible seems to have his morals mixed up, and no, you can't make the argument that "NO, HE'S GOD, HE DOESN'T NEED MORALS!"

Yes he does, if he wants our love and respect and worship, why would you worship someone who has wiped out cities for really dumb reasons.

When you come out of your mom's vagina, are you obligated to always always listen to her and worship her even if she treats you horribly.

Besides, there is no way the God in the bible is our God. Our God (at least what I think) is just a selfless loving entity who wouldn't hurt a fly, he gives us free will to do with as we please, but chooses not to get involved because... Well, wouldn't really be free will.

None of what you just said should make anyone take you seriously on any level. Making a blanket statement like "god advocates" makes you look ignorant. People are responsible for more murders than God ever could be.

Besides, there is no way the God in the bible is our God. Our God (at least what I think) is just a selfless loving entity who wouldn't hurt a fly, he gives us free will to do with as we please, but chooses not to get involved because... Well, wouldn't really be free will.

Good god this is dumb. "There is no way God isn't the god from our bible because I don't agree with what he does and the god I know wouldn't hurt a fly." Lol, I don't think I have ever heard of any God like that. Don't take this as an insult but I am really wondering how old you are.

Originally posted by Jmanghan

Besides, there is no way the God in the bible is our God. Our God (at least what I think) is just a selfless loving entity who wouldn't hurt a fly, he gives us free will to do with as we please, but chooses not to get involved because... Well, wouldn't really be free will.

That sounds sort of like a deist idea of a god.

Humanity in general might be responsible for more deaths, but God has a body count that absolutely dwarfs any single human in history. It's also true that he has done things a lot more horrible then Satan. Satan technically tricked people into gaining knowledge..and we see him as the ultimate evil. Don't get me wrong, the guy seemed like an arrogant d-bag, but gee I wonder where he learned THAT from? Actually can anyone think of any examples of Satan just flat out murdering someone?

I actually agree with the statement of if there is a God it is not the biblical one. Why? Because I am here typing this to you right now. The biblical God would of flooded this world 1,000 times over by now.

Humanity in general might be responsible for more deaths, but God has a body count that absolutely dwarfs any single human in history

This is based on what exactly? By the definition of those who believe in God, God kills for reasons above us (some we understand), while humans kill for selfish reasons. If you "hate" our God, you should be despising humans.

I actually agree with the statement of if there is a God it is not the biblical one. Why? Because I am here typing this to you right now. The biblical God would of flooded this world 1,000 times over by now.

You should probably reread that sentence and understand the absurdity of it. You don't believe God is the biblical one for some random, simplistic reason? Wow..