Originally posted by psmith81992
Nobody is defending the organization, if you bothered to do any reading at all. The Op combined them with all right wingers, calling them filthy/radical/whatever other bias he has. That made him lose all credibility rather instantly and the defense comes against baseless generalizations.
Actually retard, if you read properly, I said I attacked The Christian Right. As in crackpots who support Creationism, discrimination against gay people, Anti-Abortion and other crazy beliefs. The Orange Order are part of the same loathsome conservative crowd by the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson ilk. These are people who despise anyone who is different than them, their goal is to shove their religion doctrine in our laws and in our education.
Originally posted by jaden101
I live in scotland. I deal with the sectarianism on an almost daily basis. So I know far more about it than you do. They had a March on my birthday that practically went past my front door. I've seen someone killed in the street over the kind of sectarianism the OO promotes.
Exactly. But psmith is in that regard no different from the bulk of conservative Christians on the internet. No matter how trendy and modern a persona they present they are quite willing to base their beliefs on outright lies instead of established facts.
Just to continue with my thought, the same applies to needlessly controversial subjects like Creationism and gay rights. The people who support ID are usually prolifers who oppose gay rights. They attempt to present arguments to show how knowledgeable and open-minded they are but they inevitably show their total ignorance and disregard for facts. Yes, psmith is a liar but he's not alone.
Exactly. But psmith is in that regard no different from the bulk of conservative Christians on the internet. No matter how trendy and modern a persona they present they are quite willing to base their beliefs on outright lies instead of established facts.
Just to continue with my thought, the same applies to needlessly controversial subjects like Creationism and gay rights. The people who support ID are usually prolifers who oppose gay rights. They attempt to present arguments to show how knowledgeable and open-minded they are but they inevitably show their total ignorance and disregard for facts. Yes, psmith is a liar but he's not alone.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Except this is not remotely close to what Jade is saying. He's not saying anything about the majority of conservative Christians, NOR any regarding the internet. Furthermore, continuing to call beliefs outright lies makes you look stupid and begs proof which we all know you can't muster because you're too busy screaming about your anger to actually pay attention to what people right.
Yes they are lies, your fellow retard Michael Behe, the founder of ID, was a well known fraud who at least admitted to lying. The same goes to stupider creationists who believe the world is 6000 years old, despite it being a perversion of facts and science. The pro life movement itself is based on the idiotic premise that a soul enters a fertilized egg immediately after ejaculation.
Originally posted by Ayelewis
Yes they are lies, your fellow retard Michael Behe, the founder of ID, was a well known fraud who at least admitted to lying. The same goes to stupider creationists who believe the world is 6000 years old, despite it being a perversion of facts and science. The pro life movement itself is based on the idiotic premise that a soul enters a fertilized egg immediately after ejaculation.
Why is she my "fellow"? I can find you hundred of liberal, pro choice morons who are liars/cheaters/scumbags. You're not making a point here. Furthermore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#Types_of_creationism
A small portion of creationists believe the earth is 6,000 years old, but you're so incredibly dumb and emotional that you generalize, pass this off as fact, and then cry about others "lying" and unable to accept facts. Your posts are littered with stupidity and misinformation.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Why is she my "fellow"? I can find you hundred of liberal, pro choice morons who are liars/cheaters/scumbags. You're not making a point here. Furthermore:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#Types_of_creationism
A small portion of creationists believe the earth is 6,000 years old, but you're so incredibly dumb and emotional that you generalize, pass this off as fact, and then cry about others "lying" and unable to accept facts. Your posts are littered with stupidity and misinformation.
He's clearly a troll. No Christian I know thinks that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Why is she my "fellow"? I can find you hundred of liberal, pro choice morons who are liars/cheaters/scumbags. You're not making a point here. Furthermore:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#Types_of_creationism
A small portion of creationists believe the earth is 6,000 years old, but you're so incredibly dumb and emotional that you generalize, pass this off as fact, and then cry about others "lying" and unable to accept facts. Your posts are littered with stupidity and misinformation.
Nice try, but most harassment, hatred and attacks come from the Pro Life scum you defend. Matter of fact Google says the same thing. I googled "planned parenthood arson" and came up with recent arson attacks in Joplin, Missouri and Utica, New York. There was an attack against PP in 1975. I could check further but PP and other perceived abortion providers have been subjects of all kinds of violence including fireworks, bricks, gunshots.
There was of course George Tillerman who was gunned down, this was all thanks to the hate campaign Pro-Life campaigns had advocated, yes, they didn't do themselves but someone else did it for them. That's right, you pigs cheered but when "Tiller the Killer" was murdered.
Speaking of liars, You must be referring to the Catholic Church as representative of such organizations. Perhaps you're thinking of the Creationists of Dover PA who lied under oath in US federal court. Do you remember the Swift Boaters from the 2004 US presidential election who signed sworn affidavits that were lies? It could be you mean Teri Schiavo's father Robert Schindler who edited a video to make it seem his brain dead daughter was trying to speak.
Those are all conservative Christian types who got caught up in the same sorts of lies as what's being perpetrated against Planned Parenthood. Your ilk has been promoting this crap for years. As for you, psmith, you're trying to portray yourself as some witty chap who's a dedicated Christian Catholic. You're supposedly devout but understanding and broadminded. The fact is that you're just as trashy as any other religious crazy. You should substitute the image of some middle-aged angry priest type, somebody like Cardinal Spellman maybe, instead of your fake trendiness with the sunglasses. Or maybe not; you're dogshït either way.
Nice try, but most harassment, hatred and attacks come from the Pro Life scum you defend.
Google says the same thing. I googled "planned parenthood arson" and came up with recent arson attacks in Joplin, Missouri and Utica, New York. There was an attack against PP in 1975. I could check further but PP and other perceived abortion providers have been subjects of all kinds of violence including fireworks, bricks, gunshots.
Prove it
As for you, psmith, you're trying to portray yourself as some witty chap who's a dedicated Christian Catholic.
You're a dumb, emotional, pro choice liberal that has no argument to back ANYTHING up. This is evident when you just scream "Google".
I wasn't aware that I had to cite actual events such as Operation Rescue or the Dover Case to apologist scum such as yourself. It's not hard to google these occurrences, and yes, liar, I see you could not refute these events or prove to us how Pro-Choicers are worse than Pro-Lifers. Tell me, liar smithy, what overwhelmingly acts of hate or violence have Pro-Choicers done in the past or recently? The Pro-Life campaign is made of religious freaks such as yourself who worship clumps of cells over the safety of a woman's (or even a young girl's) well being.
Originally posted by Ayelewis
I wasn't aware that I had to cite actual events such as Operation Rescue or the Dover Case to apologist scum such as yourself. It's not hard to google these occurrences, and yes, liar, I see you could not refute these events or prove to us how Pro-Choicers are worse than Pro-Lifers. Tell me, liar smithy, what overwhelmingly acts of hate or violence have Pro-Choicers done in the past or recently? The Pro-Life campaign is made of religious freaks such as yourself who worship clumps of cells over the safety of a woman's (or even a young girl's) well being.
Lol.. What a petulant child.
Originally posted by Star428
You know what, **** you and everybody else who continually bashes Christians. You're no ****ing better that's for sure. Done listening to know-it-all atheists pathetically trying to act like they are morally superior when it's obviously the other way around.
Dude I think you really need to calm down. You obviously have strong beliefs about a certain thing. So no matter what anyone says, that won't change..since that is what faith is supposed to be about right? I'm just saying man, I went to Catholic school my entire life save for college. You are acting very hateful right now, shouldn't you be turning the other cheek?
Is it worth getting so worked up about? You can ignore people without actually putting them on ignore.
I also feel what you said about atheists and how they feel they are morally superior and yet it is the other way around..well, isn't that wrong to say too? Going by Christian values is it not wrong to essentially say "I am better then you" ?
Also just for the record, I am an atheist and I don't think that makes me morally superior. It just means I don't look to a deity to tell me what is right or wrong.
Originally posted by Surtur
Dude I think you really need to calm down. You obviously have strong beliefs about a certain thing. So no matter what anyone says, that won't change..since that is what faith is supposed to be about right? I'm just saying man, I went to Catholic school my entire life save for college. You are acting very hateful right now, shouldn't you be turning the other cheek?Is it worth getting so worked up about? You can ignore people without actually putting them on ignore.
I also feel what you said about atheists and how they feel they are morally superior and yet it is the other way around..well, isn't that wrong to say too? Going by Christian values is it not wrong to essentially say "I am better then you" ?
Also just for the record, I am an atheist and I don't think that makes me morally superior. It just means I don't look to a deity to tell me what is right or wrong.
You have to understand that insulting ppl's belief will make them feel bad. The same goes for insulting ppl's race/gender/age/sexual orientation/etc. Yes, the Cathiolic faith teaches one to "turn the other cheek", but isn't the onus really on you to behave like a decent human being and just y'know not say hurtful things (that yiu know are hurtful) to other ppl rather than it is for religious ppl to forgive you for what you do?
He is not saying that he is better than you, he is saying that there are athiests all over the place (and that he is "done" with such ppl) that seem to feel that they are "morally/intellectually superior" for the sole reason that they are athiests (and if you go around the internet, you would know he is right).
He said atheists think they are morally superior when that is the other way around. How is that not saying "I am better then you"?
Also, if they put so much faith in the religion it makes no sense to not try to follow the concepts of the religion. It also makes no sense to try to say this is one sided and "really on me". No, it definitely goes both ways.
For every bad thing you could say about the super arrogant atheists you could also say something about the super religious. Like I said, it goes both ways.
Originally posted by Surtur
He said atheists think they are morally superior when that is the other way around. How is that not saying "I am better then you"?Also, if they put so much faith in the religion it makes no sense to not try to follow the concepts of the religion. It also makes no sense to try to say this is one sided and "really on me". No, it definitely goes both ways.
For every bad thing you could say about the super arrogant atheists you could also say something about the super religious.
"The other way around" meaning that their -behavior- demontrates (by definition) the reverse of the moral superiority that they allude to having and that it specifically mentions the "know-it-all athiests", of a specific internet-borne group of condescending group of athiests that you find in abundance all over the internet. Or at least that is how I understand what he said.
No, behaving as a decent human being is what goes "both ways". Expecting ppl to follow the tenets of their religion in order to excuse one from behaving as a decent human being is not going "both ways".
Yes, yes you can. But atm, Star is talking about super arrogant athiests, isn't he? The existence of one does not justify the actions of the other.