Black Crime vs Illegal Immigrate Crime

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You made no point.

My point: We literally could not incarcerate every undocumented immigrant whose only crime is being undocumented. Time, space and money. Just not feasible.

Originally posted by Robtard
How do you suppose 'we' keep them out?

We refuse all aid to Mexico unless they imprison deported illegals. THEY can build the damn prisons for their own shitty citizens who can't stay away. If they won't make their shithole of a country better they can at least keep the trash out.

Originally posted by Surtur
We refuse all aid to Mexico unless they imprison deported illegals. THEY can build the damn prisons for their own shitty citizens who can't stay away.

How long should they imprison them? And lets remember that most immigrants whether they came illegally or not are actually upstanding people who contribute more than they receive from the US.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How long should they imprison them? And lets remember that most immigrants whether they came illegally or not are actually upstanding people who contribute more than they receive from the US.

5 years minimum for a first offense. 10 years for a 2nd offense. 3 strikes and you're out, 20 years or more. Kate Steinle would be alive right now if we did this.

Upstanding people don't come to a country illegally and steal jobs from legal citizens by working for shit pay.

Once in the criminal justice system, its tough to get out of it. Even if charges are dropped they still show in background screenings. I was charged with a couple of felonies that were dropped, and they keep coming up on background, felonies with assault, even though county said they would not pursuit it. Won't even charge me with misdemeanor, yet keeps showing up.

And I'm white without a lawyer, I am not so sure if blacks and Mexicans would get such a deal with historical prejudice.

Originally posted by Surtur
We refuse all aid to Mexico unless they imprison deported illegals. THEY can build the damn prisons for their own shitty citizens who can't stay away.

If they won't make their shithole of a country better they can at least keep the trash out.

So you want Mexico to imprison their own people for being undocumented in the US. This actually makes sense to you?

That's very bigoted, you're literally saying that all illegals from Mexico are "thrash", when the vast majority are law abiding (aside from entry) and are here to work.

Originally posted by SayWhat
Once in the criminal justice system, its tough to get out of it. Even if charges are dropped they still show in background screenings. I was charged with a couple of felonies that were dropped, and they keep coming up on background, felonies with assault, even though county said they would not pursuit it. Won't even charge me with misdemeanor, yet keeps showing up.

And I'm white without a lawyer, I am not so sure if blacks and Mexicans would get such a deal with historical prejudice.

And yet an illegal had been deported 5 friggin times and was set free and went and murdered an innocent woman with her whole future ahead of her. Why? Because he is was in a "Sanctuary City". The city put the welfare of an illegal above their own citizens.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you want Mexico to imprison their own people for being undocumented in the US. This actually makes sense to you?

That's very bigoted, you're literally saying that all illegals from Mexico are "thrash", when the vast majority are law abiding (aside from entry) and are here to work.

We give Mexico aid, right? So why shouldn't they try to take a hand in stopping these people from coming here over and over and over?

Also, I'm not calling every illegal trash. I'm talking about the types that commit crimes, get deported multiple times, and all that. That is trash, and why should we clean up another countries trash? They should pay us money in order to imprison their own shitty citizens who come here to commit crime if they won't do it. We need to do SOMETHING other then let these f*ckers back out on the street, don't you agree? I'm not talking about the single mother who is here illegally and works hard, but the pieces of shit who come just to take advantage of the system and do whatever the f*ck they want.

Originally posted by Surtur
And yet an illegal had been deported 5 friggin times and was set free and went and murdered an innocent woman with her whole future ahead of her. Why? Because he is was in a "Sanctuary City". The city put the welfare of an illegal above their own citizens.

This is incorrect, as in the original thread, it was a foul-up of several people not doing their jobs correctly, not "San Francisco loves illegal criminals".

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why do illegal immigrants get a get out of jail free card, but blacks go to jail for petty things? And they get the three strike your out rule. Illegals get unlimited chances now.

Seems unfair.

Cuz, they are just lost, you know, direction-ally challenged. That is why the keep getting deported. Tough call though, way too tough on blacks though. That is why I support body cams on cops. The cam won't lie but cops can write up anything, and difficult to disprove them.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is incorrect, as in the original thread, it was a foul-up of several people not doing their jobs correctly, not "San Francisco loves illegal criminals".

But that is the point. As long as a foul up in these places can lead to criminals back on the street Sanctuary Cities need to be done away with. Unless you can guarantee another foul up won't cost another legal citizen their life? We have enough crime from legal citizens, we don't need more.

We also don't need cities that ignore federal law. We don't need Presidents that will fight to allow them to ignore federal law.

Originally posted by Surtur
We give Mexico aid, right? So why shouldn't they try to take a hand in stopping these people from coming here over and over and over?

Also, I'm not calling every illegal trash. I'm talking about the types that commit crimes, get deported multiple times, and all that. That is trash, and why should we clean up another countries trash? They should pay us money in order to imprison their own shitty citizens who come here to commit crime if they won't do it. We need to do SOMETHING other then let these f*ckers back out on the street, don't you agree? I'm not talking about the single mother who is here illegally and works hard, but the pieces of shit who come just to take advantage of the system and do whatever the f*ck they want.

Yes, some. Still, you want Mexico to imprison its own citizens for the crime of crossing over illegally. For 5 years no less.

Well, the way you worded it initially, you did.

Again, there are many undocumented violent criminals who get sent to prison, you make it seem like they're released and this is normal. They serve their time for whatever crime (theft, assault, murder etc); then they're deported.

Yet under your "laws", that undocumented working mother would be deported and then imprisoned in Mexico.

I do think the undocumented mother should be deported. I just don't consider her trash.

To put it another way: I think all illegals should be deported. For some of them it's an unfortunate situation, for others it's a "good riddance". The latter part applies to criminals who go beyond the crime of being here illegally.

Originally posted by Surtur
But that is the point. As long as a foul up in these places can lead to criminals back on the street Sanctuary Cities need to be done away with. Unless you can guarantee another foul up won't cost another legal citizen their life? We have enough crime from legal citizens, we don't need more.

We also don't need cities that ignore federal law. We don't need Presidents that will fight to allow them to ignore federal law.

Foul ups happen where criminal citizens get released and they go on to commit more crimes. Google "criminal accidentally released", you'll get several hits. So it's like saying "if you can't guarantee the penal system won't ever make a mistake again, you need to get ride of it."

Again, a "sanctuary city" is a city where the police can't ask you for your citizenship status. It's not a "illegal criminals get a free pass" thing.

Originally posted by Surtur
I do think the undocumented mother should be deported. I just don't consider her trash.

To put it another way: I think all illegals should be deported. For some of them it's an unfortunate situation, for others it's a "good riddance". The latter part applies to criminals who go beyond the crime of being here illegally.

But she still should get 5 years in a Mexican jail in your opinion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How long should they imprison them? And lets remember that most immigrants whether they came illegally or not are actually upstanding people who contribute more than they receive from the US.

I do believe the VAST majority of illegal immigrants are just trying to find a better life, but we need to be a land of laws with no exemptions.

Unauthorized immigrants do pay taxes, and generally do not receive welfare. Those are just myths (actually lies):

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

Originally posted by Robtard
So you want Mexico to imprison their own people for being undocumented in the US. This actually makes sense to you?

That's very bigoted, you're literally saying that all illegals from Mexico are "thrash", when the vast majority are law abiding (aside from entry) and are here to work.

A large % of the Illegals don't come from Mexico but the other central and south American countries and are technically in Mexico ILLEGALLY before they cross over into the U.S. So Mexico COULD imprison them for being Illegal Aliens. But since they are coming to the U.S. They most generally don't bother.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]A large % of the Illegals don't come from Mexico but the other central and south American countries and are technically in Mexico ILLEGALLY before they cross over into the U.S. So Mexico COULD imprison them for being Illegal Aliens. But since they are coming to the U.S. They most generally don't bother. [/B]

What exactly do you consider a "large %"?

http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why do illegal immigrants get a get out of jail free card, but blacks go to jail for petty things? And they get the three strike your out rule. Illegals get unlimited chances now.

Seems unfair.