Originally posted by Van Hohenheim
Where are your sources? Bring credible statistics next time you decide to act the fool ; to at least warrant a serious response.
A troll as yourself who has 15 posts on this forum does not warrant my attention, especially since you only want to single out my posts. Welcome to ignore.
Originally posted by Bardock42I'm sorry but the name game just ruins my impression of you. It's like the people who say "anchor baby" is a racist term but also say illegal immigration is a problem with ALL races.
Unauthorized immigrants do pay taxes, and generally do not receive welfare. Those are just myths (actually lies):http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/
re: "you can't keep them out"
dunno... seems to me you might as well do away with the concept of having a nation if you can't even prevent a mass influx of foreigners causing demographic shifts throughout the country..kind of makes the entire idea of having control of that nation/territory seem pretty silly
i would say there are at the very least some options to be explored when it comes to tactics for keeping undocumented immigrants out.
Originally posted by red g jacks
re: "you can't keep them out"dunno... seems to me you might as well do away with the concept of having a nation if you can't even prevent a mass influx of foreigners causing demographic shifts throughout the country..kind of makes the entire idea of having control of that nation/territory seem pretty silly
i would say there are at the very least some options to be explored when it comes to tactics for keeping undocumented immigrants out.
Have you looked at the history of the United States?
Originally posted by red g jacks
to a certain extent... though i went to public school. i'll just be honest and say if you have a point to make with me you're better off just going ahead and making it rather than dropping vague hints and waiting for me to respond.
Fair enough. My point is that your nation has been shaped by mass influx of foreigners causing demographic shifts since before it was founded...that is basically the defining feature of the United States.
yea i understand that the nation is one of immigrants... and i'm not actually anti-immigration
but at the same time it's kind of silly to me that anyone would think "you can't keep them out" is a sound basis for immigration policy. seems pretty obvious to me that any nation would try its best to regulate who enters and leaves said nation.
in the case of america famously asking for the world's poor... at that time such an influx was considered useful. the nation needed a large unskilled labor pool and thus was soliciting the rest of the world for immigrants to meet that demand. but just looking at things mathematically... the world is bound to be full of more impoverished potential refugees than the united states can bear. so having an open boarder policy = importing poverty, crime and disease on a mass scale.
I think the "you can't keep them out" came as a counter-point to people whose only policy for immigration is "build a wall and keep them all out". Basically it's a reality check. Illegal Immigration is happening and pretending you can make it go away is silly.
Additionally, the United States still vastly benefits from immigration (both legal and illegal), in particular illegal immigration provides a large pool of very cheap labor that the country benefits from. This is on top of immigrants paying in more to the system than they receive.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think the "you can't keep them out" came as a counter-point to people whose only policy for immigration is "build a wall and keep them all out". Basically it's a reality check. Illegal Immigration is happening and pretending you can make it go away is silly.Additionally, the United States still vastly benefits from immigration (both legal and illegal), in particular illegal immigration provides a large pool of very cheap labor that the country benefits from. This is on top of immigrants paying in more to the system than they receive.
Pretending you can make it go away is silly indeed. It's also a false narrative to pretend that building a wall won't slow it down or controll it.
Since we also know that roughly half of our illegal immigrant problem is overstayed visas to say we can't relatively easily clear them out is a joke.
Originally posted by Robtard
So people who want this anti-Mexico wall (cos that's really what is it, as no one is advocating a wall up North).How much will it cost?
How much will it cost to up-keep each year?
How many immigrants percentage-wise will it keep out on a yearly basis?
Who cares how much it costs, one look at USA's debt and you quickly realize that throwing money at problems isn't a concern.
Also who cares, one look at how the USA approaches the middle east and you know that throwing money at it isn't a real problem.
Why speculate, build it and then use real data to analyze the results.
Also sure build a wall a north too then the narrative isn't anti-latino it can become isolationism!
Originally posted by snowdragon
Who cares how much it costs, one look at USA's debt and you quickly realize that throwing money at problems isn't a concern.Also who cares, one look at how the USA approaches the middle east and you know that throwing money at it isn't a real problem.
Why speculate, build it and then use real data to analyze the results.
Also sure build a wall a north too then the narrative isn't anti-latino it can become isolationism!
The cost-benefit analysis (before committing to the project) is something reasonable people care about.