Vitiate vs. Dooku, Maul and Mace

Originally posted by Selenial
The Sith Hermetica ****ed over Kreia, not the planet. .

Malak read said Sith Hermetica.

"Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan. Kreia took the name Darth Traya, and her followers called themselves the Sith after the long-lost species that had invaded the Republic a millennium before." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

He wasn't ****ed over. 👆

10/10 argument there, Selenial.

As for Nathema, unless you can prove Malak survived it unfazed, he didn't exactly do better than the Exile.

"He knew with absolute certainty that he had been to this world before. He remembered its deserted city and its lifeless surface. He remembered searching the empty buildings with Malak, looking for archives, records, and astrogation charts that would guide them on the next step of the journey. But most of all, he remembered the horror of a dead planet entirely stripped of the Force." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

Revan made no mention of them getting ****ed over on the planet more than that it was a "horror." They, however, were on the planet far longer than Surik.

"Her body reacted with a revulsion so strong she felt physically ill. Her mind briefly tried to imagine what had happened to cause such an abomination, then recoiled from the answers. Her mind went blank and her body numb.

She stood motionless for several minutes, or maybe it was several hours; time had no meaning here. But the incessant squawking of T3 eventually roused her from her stupor.

...The entire process took less than five minutes, but for Meetra it might as well have been an eternity. She had managed to keep busy up until this point, but while waiting idly by for T3 to finish she began to notice the absence of the Force once more.

She could feel the Void pressing in on her from all sides. At the same time it was pulling on her, trying to rip away the very essence of her existence. Nature abhors a vacuum; the emptiness was trying to fill itself with her energy. For an instant she felt as if she were going to become undone, her physical body discorporating into trillions of subatomic particles that would scatter across the entire surface of Nathema.

No! she screamed in her mind. The Void will not take me! I am more than just a collection of random matter and particles! I am a living being. I am Meetra Surik!

The affirmation of her own existence seemed to push the Void back, at least for the moment. But Meetra knew she couldn’t hold out against it much longer. As much as she tried to ignore what she felt—or, more precisely, didn’t feel—all around her, she knew it was only a matter of time until the horrors of Nathema stripped away her sanity." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

Surik admits that if she stayed on Nathema a little longer she would have been utterly ****ed. We know Malak was on the planet longer than her, and based on the fact he clearly wasn't ****ed over, it's obvious that he managed to resist it well enough that Revan made no mention of him other than that they traveled together and thought of the planet as a "horror."

Kreia was corrupted to the dark side after finding the teachings of the Academy compelling, that hardly has anything to do with mental resistance lol. Not that it matters considering both Malak and Revan we're corrupted to the dark side by reading Sith teachings as well. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kreia was corrupted to the dark side after finding the teachings of the Academy compelling, that hardly has anything to do with mental resistance lol. Not that it matters considering both Malak and Revan we're corrupted to the dark side by reading Sith teachings as well. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kreia was corrupted to the dark side after finding the teachings of the Academy compelling, that hardly has anything to do with mental resistance lol. Not that it matters considering both Malak and Revan we're corrupted to the dark side by reading Sith teachings as well. 👆

Kreia was corrupted by Sith teachings into believing that the Force had to be killed? :/ 😂

Revan embraced the dark side after reading far greater amounts of Sith lore, and he didn't believe the Force needed to be killed. So... they aren't really comparable.

Because they have a different perspective on the Force. 😐

I'm not seeing how that indicates Malak read the Sith Hermetica at all :/

Uncovering =/= reading. They were forbidden even among the Sith, and considered the writing of the insane, almost worthless...

@Beni: "Even as she wants to denounce this, Darth Traya falls under its seductive spell." --KotORCG

You are more retarded than if someone from Mortis became the embodiment of retardation.

Dafuq is Sith Hermatica?

Originally posted by Selenial
They were forbidden even among the Sith, and considered the writing of the insane, almost worthless...

Or what, they are going to see some ancient scrolls and be like "NOpE this is FORBIDDEN but NOT GONNA READ IT" like all Sith do? 😂

Silly Ant, Malak can't read. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Silly Ant, Malak can't read. 🙄

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Beni: "Even as she wants to denounce this, Darth Traya falls under its seductive spell." --KotORCG

You are more retarded than if someone from Mortis became the embodiment of retardation.

So I'd appreciate some proof that Traya was mentally unhinged, as opposed to simply forming an opinion, because the fact that she was still of the same opinion after being stripped of the Force and removed from Malachor V and all it's influences seems to suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And you're interpreting that to mean Traya was mind ****ed, when it could just as easily mean that Traya didn't want to accept the painful "truth", but couldn't find grounds for disproving it. You know, like that eventual point in time when you'll accept Sidious > Vitiate despite it hurting so bad. 👆

I'd appreciate some proof that Traya was mentally unhinged, as opposed to simply forming an opinion, because the fact that she was still of the same opinion after being stripped of the Force and removed from Malachor V and all it's influences seems to suggest otherwise.

Since when is a "painful truth" a "seductive spell."

The fact she thought the Force should die is proof enough.

Everything else, like the quote above, is just utter ass-raping, tbh.

"seductive spell" implies some form of 'other worldly' (supernatural/nor normal) corruption. I doubt it just dominated her with its logic. 😛

Damn it Ant!

Now I have to deal with sideways scrolling on this page.

Blame Beni for his cosmic-level stupidity and ignorance.

Too many facepalms Ant

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Too many facepalms Ant

Originally posted by Aurbere
"seductive spell" implies some form of 'other worldly' (supernatural/nor normal) corruption. I doubt it just dominated her with its logic. 😛

Sure, Traya was obviously corrupted by the dark side by "supernatural" powers that warped her perspective. But the same happened to Kun, Revan, Malak etc. we do not label these individual insane.

Did Traya reach a different and more radical perspective on the Force to Revan and Malak? Yes. But that was only a result of her preestablished skepticism towards the Force, which I'd remind you is why she was kicked out of the Order in the first place.

Falling to the dark side evidently warped those opinions to the extreme but again, that's different from going insane. The same happened to Revan and Malak they just adopted a different approach, was it any more sensible? Hardly. Conquering the galaxy to create a Sith Empire to stop a Sith Empire conquering the galaxy is a pretty stupid idea, let's be honest.

Really I thought the opinion that "Kreia was bat crazy trololol" died out a long time ago...

I've... I've ran out of a facepalm gifs and insults to use to describe this madness, tbh.