Vitiate vs. Dooku, Maul and Mace

Tbh Carth you're focusing too heavily on offensive Force powers, which is hardly accurate since the Exile's preference and focus as passive/defensive/bolstering powers.

Fact is the Exile took on an academy of Sith, numbering around 100 if I'm correct, on one of the most potent dark side nexuses in the galaxy, defeated Darth Sion three times, and then, without a break, went on to defeat Darth Traya, a more powerful Force user than Dooku, above a geyser of dark side energy.

This is an exceptional feat of stamina and endurance, what exactly has Dooku done to match it? Let alone eclipse it?

>blames Carthage for discussing offensive Force powers in the thread.
>lists offensive feats for Surik and points them for evidence of her power.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
> blames Carthage for discussing offensive Force powers in the thread.
> lists offensive feats for Surik and points them for evidence of her power.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
First off Sidious choking Dooku while the latter was on his knees and arguably defenseless is not really the same thing as being able to choke him out mid battle. No...he's really not.

Secondly I find it very unlikely that a highly trained master Force user of Dooku's caliber, who was infrequently targeted by assassins, would not have learned to have his defenses raised at all times, a lesson taught to Sidious by his own master.

If he could why would he not just mind control Scourge and Meetra (or at least try to). Also frankly Vitiate got put on his ass by what amounted to a glorified TK when Revan felt his presence in his mind. If you don't think Maul let alone Dooku and Windu can do that you're kidding yourself.

Anyway he's performed TP on a planetary scale, albeit in spirit form, but it's still a massively impressive feat, I'm sure he can manage three Force sensitives. I'm not confident he can break them all at once however but he'd certainly try.

So being able to run longer than Dooku means she is more powerful than him in the Force?

mmm Interesting.

Dean Karnazes vs Dooku (Force-only), Beni?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Tbh Carth you're focusing too heavily on offensive Force powers, which is hardly accurate since the Exile's preference and focus as passive/defensive/bolstering powers.

Fact is the Exile took on an academy of Sith, numbering around 100 if I'm correct, on one of the most potent dark side nexuses in the galaxy, defeated Darth Sion three times, and then, without a break, went on to defeat Darth Traya, a more powerful Force user than Dooku, above a geyser of dark side energy.

This is an exceptional feat of stamina and endurance, what exactly has Dooku done to match it? Let alone eclipse it?

Fought on par with Yoda, defeated Mace Windu, defeated the Chosen One.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Secondly I find it very unlikely that a highly trained master Force user of Dooku's caliber, who was infrequently targeted by assassins, would not have learned to have his defenses raised at all times, a lesson taught to Sidious by his own master.

Guard up or not, it's not the same as doing it Mid-Duel.

If it was Sidious would have choked out Mace after 5 seconds of duelling him.

Dooku =/> Mace in Force Powers.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I was pointing to stamina and endurance, should have made that more clear.First off you're detracting from the point, that Yoda didn't engage Dooku in a contest of Force powers so it's impossible to claim Dooku contended with him.

Uh, did I not state how the AOTCs novel explicitly states that Yoda's deflection of Dooku's lightning was 'far from easy'.

Secondly I find it very unlikely that a highly trained master Force user of Dooku's caliber, who was infrequently targeted by assassins, would not have learned to have his defenses raised at all times, a lesson taught to Sidious by his own master.They weren't really in the vicinity, Revan was the only one in Vitiate's presence.

Like when he got ambushed by the nightsisters? Or when Kenobi headbutted and disarmed him when he was caught off guard? Shit, even Yoda was caught off guard by Sidious when he walked into his office with the intent to kill him. So do you have proof his defenses were up? Or do you want to concede.

Anyway he's performed TP on a planetary scale, albeit in spirit form, but it's still a massively impressive feat, I'm sure he can manage three Force sensitives. I'm not confident he can break them all at once however but he'd certainly try.

1. Quality>Quantity. As I said he didn't mind dominate Lana.
2. This is Novel!Vitiate.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
As I said he didn't mind dominate Lana.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because his power was spread across an entire planet. 😬

And what was his excuse for not mind dominating Scourge and Meetra? Not to mention there was no one of note on that world...at all. Which brings me to my next point, when has he dominated the minds of anyone on the level of Maul, Dooku, and Mace?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And what was his excuse for not mind dominating Scourge and Meetra?

Not to mention there was no one of note on that world...at all.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
when has he dominated the minds of anyone on the level of Maul, Dooku, and Mace?

^

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
There's a difference between "he couldn't" and "he didn't."

Prove that he could have.

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Didn't he mind**** that elite group of Jedi?

Sure he did, after they had all been incapacitated. And none of them are comparable to even Maul.

Malak > any of them in mental resistance.

Seriously? 😆
Even Talzin needed a powerful ritual + being on her own personal nexus to mind **** Dooku.

Prove that he could have.

Sure he did, after they had all been incapacitated.

Seriously? laughing

Even Talzin needed a powerful ritual + being on her own personal nexus to mind **** Dooku.

And what, she couldn't have ****ed over Dooku off Dathomir? 😬 What's the support of that claim?

Scourge admitted 300 years later that he couldn't face Vitiate without falling to his mental domination. Even when Vitiate was weakened and the HoT was there.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[B]
Resisting Malachor V (which ****ed over Kreia), resisting Nathema (which ****ed over the Exile), and resisting the Star Forge (which ****ed over the Rakata) >>>

Both wrong tbh.

The Sith Hermetica ****ed over Kreia, not the planet. There's a difference. As for Nathema, unless you can prove Malak survived it unfazed, he didn't exactly do better than the Exile.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So being able to run longer than Dooku means she is more powerful than him in the Force?

mmm Interesting.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Fought on par with Yoda, defeated Mace Windu, defeated the Chosen One.

I think we're talking about a different person.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Uh, did I not state how the AOTCs novel explicitly states that Yoda's deflection of Dooku's lightning was 'far from easy'.

i]Called Sith lightning, these charges cause excruciating pain and weaken life, and it is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts.[/i]

--The Ultimate Visual Guide Updated and Expanded

Still Labyrinth of Evil interprets the scene differently:

On Geonosis, Yoda's easy parrying and, indeed, handling of the Sith lightning Dooku hurled at him had come as a surprise.

—Labyrinth of Evil

My thoughts? Deflecting Force Lightning is a difficult feat in general, but in the scope of deflecting Lightning, this was at the easy end for Yoda.

Like when he got ambushed by the nightsisters? Or when Kenobi headbutted and disarmed him when he was caught off guard? Shit, even Yoda was caught off guard by Sidious when he walked into his office with the intent to kill him. So do you have proof his defenses were up? Or do you want to concede.

1. Quality>Quantity. As I said he didn't mind dominate Lana.
2. This is Novel!Vitiate.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Malak > any of them in mental resistance.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Scourge admitted 300 years later that he couldn't face Vitiate without falling to his mental domination. Even when Vitiate was weakened and the HoT was there.

I was replying to Stark asking for proof that Vitiate could TP Scourge and Meetra.

Ah, fair enough.

Anyway I think the point can be made that Vitiate, while capable of TPing anyone of them, is likely incapable to TPing all of them at once, or TPing one fast enough before the others can intervene. Revan-tier seems to be his limit.