Originally posted by AncientPower
Unless you want to suggest Vitiate greatly enhanced his prowess since Revan I wouldn't call it speculative so much as logically inferred.
I'm not opposed to inference at all, but Revan's entire story arc undercuts your conclusions. Vitiate's already a millennium old or so at this point, has already leeched the power of thousands of Sith Lords, and studied the dark side... and still performs quite embarrassingly against Revan in their fight.
I'd say there's as much reason to doubt the power you infer as there is to endorse it.
Not really, Vitiate goes for mindf*ck, it's not very effective because Revan pulled a plot armor mind defense technique out of his ass and caught him off guard. Then Vitiate spams his way to victory with lightning and Revan is clearly f*cked from the start onwards.
Not much of a humiliation when Revan gets practically one shotted by a single concentrated burst of Force Lightning(Once Vitiate actually hit him anyway). Not that his combat effectiveness holds any weight over whether his power increased drastically or not. We have no reason to believe that's the case.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Not really, Vitiate goes for mindf*ck, it's not very effective because Revan pulled a plot armor mind defense technique out of his ass and caught him off guard. Then Vitiate spams his way to victory with lightning and Revan is clearly f*cked from the start onwards.Not much of a humiliation when Revan gets practically one shotted by a single concentrated burst of Force Lightning(Once Vitiate actually hit him anyway). Not that his combat effectiveness holds any weight over whether his power increased drastically or not. We have no reason to believe that's the case.
Except that's not at all what happened. The text says Vitiate dedicated much of his energies into mindhaxxing Revan. He wasn't put on his ass because he was caught off guard, he was put on his ass because his "guard" such as it were was dedicated to an attack that ultimately failed. As I explained to you earlier, Vitiate was clearly taking Revan seriously from the first, else he wouldn't have initiated the fight with an attack that required a lot of effort. 👆
"Spamming his way to victory" is a curious way to describe having your shots deflected aside or used to put you on your ass a second time.
Revan tries to deflect Vitiate's concentrated assault barehanded rather than press his advantage, opt for another TK attack, etc. and so forth. And even then, Revan's back on his feet moments later and in good enough condition that Vitiate doesn't dare attack him until he's distracted by Scourge's 11th hour betrayal.
I've been over this with Sinious; the book does not at all portray what you want it to.
Revan goes into the fight stating that he couldn't go toe to toe with Vitiate for long, and he does lose in mere seconds.
Tempests reading of the fight is extremely slanted. Vitiate wanted to capture and corrupt Revan like he did before. He wasn't expecting Revan to know a technique to resist his TP or to be capable of blasting both sides of the Force at him and afterwards went with much weaker attacks than he is capable of until he got pissed. He was holding back.
Tempest got it right.
There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward.- Revan novel.
Tbh reading this fight, it's kinda boring tbh..
Revan couldn't even TK an Imperial Guardsman who was merely drawing power from Vitiate, Vitiate can tank Starkillers TK.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well few can come close to matching your objectivity on such matters, my darling. By all means, give us your 100% leveled commentary of the fight. stoned
I did.
Any of you guys ever notice how Revan is a weak feeb when compared to guys like Bane and Zannah but mysteriously experiences a stratospheric upgrade when compared to Starkiller and Vader? mmm
Neph
I did.
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Vitiate wanted to capture and corrupt Revan like he did before. He wasn't expecting Revan to know a technique to resist his TP or to be capable of blasting both sides of the Force at him and afterwards went with much weaker attacks than he is capable of until he got pissed. He was holding back.
^ This is a 100% leveled, objective, non-slanted commentary of the fight? haermm
Originally posted by Nephthys
Starkiller's TK isn't above Revan's by any noticeable degree, and certainly not by enough that he can beat Vitiate with it when Revan could barely move a guardsman.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Any of you guys ever notice how Revan is a weak feeb when compared to guys like Bane and Zannah but mysteriously experiences a stratospheric upgrade when compared to Starkiller and Vader? mmm
Guys I think it just happened again. mmm