Originally posted by Nephthys
Starkiller's TK isn't above Revan's by any noticeable degree, and certainly not by enough that he can beat Vitiate with it when Revan could barely move a guardsman.
TFU Starkiller was overwhelming Vader in TK. What novel Revan has that matches/beats that?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Any of you guys ever notice how Revan is a weak feeb when compared to guys like Bane and Zannah but mysteriously experiences a stratospheric upgrade when compared to Starkiller and Vader? mmmmmm
^ This is a 100% leveled, objective, non-slanted commentary of the fight? haermm
I've never noticed anyone say or imply that, actually.
Yes, it is. Because that's what happened. Vitiate focused his power on crushing Revan's will like he had before, but Revan had prepared a defense and pulled a never before seen attack out of his ass that no-one else has achieved by using the dark and lightside at once. As Zenwolf just posted, Vitiate was unprepared to defend himself and had most of his power focused on something else and so was caught off guard. Afterwards he merely shot a few bolts of lightning at Revan instead of a focused attack, storm or stream which is more powerful. We know he wasn't going all out because then he does go all out and Revan crumples faster than your argument.
Originally posted by NephthysRevan had no idea how he even did the attack, how was he supposed to "prepare" it.
I've never noticed anyone say or imply that, actually.Yes, it is. Because that's what happened. Vitiate focused his power on crushing Revan's will like he had before, but Revan had prepared a defense and pulled a never before seen attack out of his ass that no-one else has achieved by using the dark and lightside at once. As Zenwolf just posted, Vitiate was unprepared to defend himself and had most of his power focused on something else and so was caught off guard. Afterwards he merely shot a few bolts of lightning at Revan instead of a focused attack, storm or stream which is more powerful. We know he wasn't going all out because then he does go all out and Revan crumples faster than your argument.
And if he could, why didn't he continue doing it?
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Revan had no idea how he even did the attack, how was he supposed to "prepare" it.And if he could, why didn't he continue doing it?
I'm not talking about the attack, that's not how he blocked Vitiate's telepathy. Earlier he mentions knowing a way to defend himself from Vitiate and he teaches Scourge and Meetra (though both are obviously too weak to actually resist). His Force attack was merely a way to stop Vitiate and attack him while his guard was down.
VVV TBF, Vader was ****ing wrecked at that point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've never noticed anyone say or imply that, actually.
Somebody page Ant. 😂
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, it is. Because that's what happened. Vitiate focused his power on crushing Revan's will like he had before, but Revan had prepared a defense and pulled a never before seen attack out of his ass that no-one else has achieved by using the dark and lightside at once. As Zenwolf just posted, Vitiate was unprepared to defend himself and had most of his power focused on something else and so was caught off guard. Afterwards he merely shot a few bolts of lightning at Revan instead of a focused attack, storm or stream which is more powerful. We know he wasn't going all out because then he does go all out and Revan crumples faster than your argument.
Intriguing. Can't help but notice your analysis conveniently brushes aside certain facts and omits others wholesale. mmm
As Meetra and Scourge battled the Guard, Revan charged toward the Emperor.
His opponent stood perfectly still, focusing and channeling his power. At the last possible instant, the Emperor unleashed a wave of energy that swept Revan off his feet and sent him flying backward.
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There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and
with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward.
He landed in a heap on the floor and Revan raced toward him. The Emperor rolled over, lifted himself up on one knee, and his hands flew forward as he hurtled a bolt of dark side lightning at his enemy.
Revan intercepted the bolt with the blade of his lightsaber, though the impact stopped his charge dead in its tracks.
The Emperor unleashed three more bolts in quick succession.
Revan batted the first aside with his lightsaber, ducked the second, then deflected the third back in the direction of its source.
It struck the Emperor in the chest, sending him sliding several meters back on the floor.
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Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done.
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Suddenly empty-handed, the Emperor took a quick step back. His attention had been focused solely on Revan; Meetra’s trick had caught him by surprise. Scourge realized that if she had aimed at the Emperor instead of the blade, she could have ended his life even as he ended Revan’s. But her instincts to save her friend overrode her desire to kill her enemy, and Scourge could only lament the lost opportunity.
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Sensing hesitation and uncertainty in the Emperor as he tried to evaluate the strength and weaknesses of his new foe, Scourge rushed forward to join Meetra and Revan.
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“You can’t defeat all three of us,” Revan said. “United, we are stronger than even you.”
“That remains to be seen,” the Emperor replied.
-
The Force washed over him in a wave, and a million possible futures flickered through his mind simultaneously. In some the Emperor was no more; in others he had transformed the entire galaxy into an empty wasteland. He saw both Revan’s triumph and defeat in the throne room; he saw variations of his own life and death played out over and over in every conceivable way, shape, and form.
-
Meetra gasped and toppled forward, dead before she hit the floor. Revan’s head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression. The distraction gave the Emperor the opportunity he needed, and he unleashed another blast of lightning into the Jedi’s chest.
mmm
To recap, Vitiate: uses a charged TK attack that accomplishes zilch, uses a charged TP attack that fails just as spectacularly and is knocked on his ass, takes four shots that are all deflected or evaded and is put on his ass again, manages to briefly take down his enemy with a charged FL attack that his enemy tries to wrangle barehanded, is saved from an ignominious death thanks to the Exile's compassion, hesitates to take the Exile on one-on-one, and only attacks a wounded!Revan when Scourge betrays him by killing the Exile at the last second. {The same Scourge who foresees many possible futures in which Revan kills Vitiate.
Yeah, Starkiller takes this one.
Actually, come to think of it, I suppose the argument could be made that Revan and co. held back against Vitiate... mmm
Originally posted by Jmanghan
In the QTE, Vader powerlessly gets ragdolled like a ***** through a window by Starkiller.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceNovel Revan isn't more powerful then Vader IMO, only SOR Revan is more powerful then Vader.
Okay, so you are this thick headed. Let me spell this out in a way that even a child could understand. Starkiller overpowering Vader doesn't mean anything besides that he can overpower Vader in TK, after a long a grueling duel I might add. This is not Vader in his prime, given that EU Vader's prime is RotJ. But this has no bearing on this conversation, given that what I said is, or at least implied, why are you talking about Vader being overpowered in the Force when a) it was just said before you started talking, it was said several times actually, and b) you yourself already said Revan was more powerful than Vader?
Also, me and Stigma's messages were mere seconds from being posted, he posted maybe 5-10 seconds before I finished making my post.
I never said that Starkiller overpowering Vader in TK meant anything more then Starkiller overpowering Vader in TK, moron.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Not really, Vitiate goes for mindf*ck, it's not very effective because Revan pulled a plot armor mind defense technique out of his ass and caught him off guard. Then Vitiate spams his way to victory with lightning and Revan is clearly f*cked from the start onwards.Not much of a humiliation when Revan gets practically one shotted by a single concentrated burst of Force Lightning(Once Vitiate actually hit him anyway). Not that his combat effectiveness holds any weight over whether his power increased drastically or not. We have no reason to believe that's the case.
Please explain to me how Vitiate's lightning has any chance of penetrating a force barrier than can encompass half of an entire frigate, and if it has the potency comparable to the outer layers of a star. It doesn't its best feat unamped is bringing down Mook Jedi, and even Count Dooku can do that. He can spam it and it would be deflected 👆
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Somebody page Ant. 😂Intriguing. Can't help but notice your analysis conveniently brushes aside certain facts and omits others wholesale. mmm
As Meetra and Scourge battled the Guard, Revan charged toward the Emperor.
[b]His opponent stood perfectly still, focusing and channeling his power.
At the last possible instant, the Emperor unleashed a wave of energy that swept Revan off his feet and sent him flying backward.-
There was brilliant flash as the air between the two combatants lit up. The energy unleashed was powerful enough to send Revan staggering. The Emperor, unprepared and
with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward.He landed in a heap on the floor and Revan raced toward him. The Emperor rolled over, lifted himself up on one knee, and his hands flew forward as he hurtled a bolt of dark side lightning at his enemy.
Revan intercepted the bolt with the blade of his lightsaber, though the impact stopped his charge dead in its tracks.
The Emperor unleashed three more bolts in quick succession.
Revan batted the first aside with his lightsaber, ducked the second, then deflected the third back in the direction of its source.It struck the Emperor in the chest, sending him sliding several meters back on the floor.
-
Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done.
-
Suddenly empty-handed, the Emperor took a quick step back. His attention had been focused solely on Revan; Meetra’s trick had caught him by surprise. Scourge realized that if she had aimed at the Emperor instead of the blade, she could have ended his life even as he ended Revan’s. But her instincts to save her friend overrode her desire to kill her enemy, and Scourge could only lament the lost opportunity.
-
Sensing hesitation and uncertainty in the Emperor as he tried to evaluate the strength and weaknesses of his new foe, Scourge rushed forward to join Meetra and Revan.
-
“You can’t defeat all three of us,” Revan said. “United, we are stronger than even you.”
“That remains to be seen,” the Emperor replied.
-
The Force washed over him in a wave, and a million possible futures flickered through his mind simultaneously. In some the Emperor was no more; in others he had transformed the entire galaxy into an empty wasteland. He saw both Revan’s triumph and defeat in the throne room; he saw variations of his own life and death played out over and over in every conceivable way, shape, and form.
-
Meetra gasped and toppled forward, dead before she hit the floor. Revan’s head snapped to the side, shock and horror emanating from him even though his mask hid his expression. The distraction gave the Emperor the opportunity he needed, and he unleashed another blast of lightning into the Jedi’s chest.
mmm
To recap, Vitiate: uses a charged TK attack that accomplishes zilch, uses a charged TP attack that fails just as spectacularly and is knocked on his ass, takes four shots that are all deflected or evaded and is put on his ass again, manages to briefly take down his enemy with a charged FL attack that his enemy tries to wrangle barehanded, is saved from an ignominious death thanks to the Exile's compassion, hesitates to take the Exile on one-on-one, and only attacks a wounded!Revan when Scourge betrays him by killing the Exile at the last second. {The same Scourge who foresees many possible futures in which Revan kills Vitiate.
Yeah, Starkiller takes this one.
Actually, come to think of it, I suppose the argument could be made that Revan and co. held back against Vitiate... mmm [/B]
I'm not able to quote your post properly so I won't go into much detail.
His TK served it's purpose in putting Revan in position to get TP'd. Vitiate used much of his strength to try and take over Revans mind, but I don't see how that implies anything. All it does it explain why Vitiate didn't defend against Revan's counterattack and indicate Vitiate's desire to again dominate Revan. You didn't even try to rebut my point that Vitiate used weak attacks on Revan afterwards, so that's cool with me.
I've already established that Vitiate only hesitates to evaluate Meetra, as the novel directly states. It means nothing and you know it does. Scourges vision means nothing, as he states he was seeing every conceivable future, not what was likely. At the end he see's the true future and knows that they cannot beat Vitiate.
Starkiller is alone in this, he doesn't have anyone save his ass with a surprise attack. If he tries to block Vitiate's lightning he will suffer the same fate as Revan, Starkiller's tutaminis isn't better than Revans.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
😆 Bro he used the force to shoot a slug that split a Star Destroyer.
Pretty sure he didn't.