Black Adam amp2x Vs Superman

Superman does lose occasionally to guys in the herald bracket, but its his choice to even lower his power this much to begin with. [And yes, his durability, speed, and everything along with it.]

Just as Wally chose to not run full speed all the time and has been tagged by Batman and Green Arrow and Deathstroke and others on various occasions.

But on the forum, neither character are constricted to this.

These aren't 'powered up' versions, as the only catalyst to Wally running lightspeed or Superman vaulting way out of the herald bracket is as simple as the desire or need to do so, as he proves arc after arc after arc, year in and out.

Accomplishing the types of things Surfer or Thor might do once in a lifetime like it was just part of the job.

😐 ...he choose to lose. WTF man.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman does lose occasionally to guys in the herald bracket, but its his choice to even lower his power this much to begin with. [And yes, his durability, speed, and everything along with it.]

Just as Wally chose to not run full speed all the time and has been tagged by Batman and Green Arrow and Deathstroke and others on various occasions.

But on the forum, neither character are constricted to this.

These aren't 'powered up' versions, as the only catalyst to Wally running lightspeed or Superman vaulting way out of the herald bracket is as simple as the desire or need to do so, as he proves arc after arc after arc, year in and out.

Accomplishing the types of things Surfer or Thor might do once in a lifetime like it was just part of the job.

I would love to know what you think would happen if an unbound Superman were ever to face a well fed Galactus with a CIS off clause for both of them.

Originally posted by carver9
😐 ...he choose to lose. WTF man.

Just as Mxy said when Superman figured out how to beat Vyndktvx, "I told you, Superman always wins."

He can be slowed, but not stopped.

Originally posted by carver9
😐 ...he choose to lose. WTF man.

This is a common thing, do you read Superman comics?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is a common thing, do you read Superman comics?

JLA Classified 15.
The last issue of New Maps of Hell

An Alien was screwing with the minds of the entire JLA and has been making every one of them look real bad...

Alien: Are you read for more? (To Superman who's on the ground)
Supes: Actually, I think I'm ready to stop playing with you. (who starts getting up, while all the rest of the Justice League are unconscious on the ground.)

Alien: Playing? I've beaten you half to death.

Supes: Not even close. I needed to measure your power and get a handle on what's really happening here. And that took time. So I just soaked up your punches while I worked it all out.

Supes: You see I'm not human. My eyes, for instance, work very diferently. There was a flicker on everything. All the surfaces in here, including yours, cycle 512 times a second. The others would never see that. But I do. Just as I can see and hear all the communications traffic moving around. Finding the frequencies took time.

Supes: I am a scientists son of the House of El. And I am a reporter. And while I may not be as quick at pattern recognition as my wife, I'm not completely stupid. Given time, I can find my way into any story. And this is just a story. Make-believe. You pushed your little stunt just a hair too far, and I saw through it.

Supes: You're strong. Your strategy programming is clever and complex. And you have absolutely no concept of the sanctity of organic life. (Supes then uses heat vision to burn off the aliens right arm.)

Supes: All these things make you a powerful, frightening enemy. But I'm Superman. And everything that's making your stunt work is broadcasting at 18 terahertz. You ever heard white noise at 18 terahertz?

The next pannel is of Supes open mouthed.. and the aliens face melting..

Its illusions fall away and it turns out to be a giant robot.. Superman punches its chest and detonates it.

He not only decided to sit there and take all the punches and get beat up, but he let his entire team be sacrificed to it too, then just decided he was done playing around and won by himself.

And this was just one of many many examples of him doing this very thing.

Superman is a dick.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It would be just a logical conclusion. Before the sundip Superman wasn't able to hold of the conduits from Warworld, Steel with the Entropy Aegis came in to help and he was able to hold them back from earth, till:

When Superman came back from his trip to the sun he pushed Warworld and those conduits with it back, while tanking everything Brainiac, with the power of Imperiex, the power of entropy itself, could dish out, he even pushed it against the force of those energies.

So if we assume that the Entropy Aegis is as powerful as OWAW Superman or maybe even a notch above him and it wasn't able to hold back those conduits because they became a 100 times stronger, how strong was Superman after the sundip if he could achieve what the Aegis couldn't?

OK. Point conceded. 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
1. I said ice can be harder than steel. I didn't say Superman's ice was hard AS steel. The implication was HARDER and not as hard. Superman has frozen beings that can rip through steel like tissue paper. So it's fair to assume that it can slow down BA quite a bit.

2. BA doesn't have a lightning attack. Are you referring to lightning on his fists? This is all moot since I said BA attacks will be twice as effective.

3. BA has no feats affecting
the intangible with mere punches. Thus he can't. Do you have any evidence that he can?

4. So you are taking the OP literally? So BA is twice as soft and twice as hard.
Anyway, it's irrelevant since Superman can harm him, hit him far more times than the other way around, have ranged powers that can win without Superman getting touched, has intangible abilities, etc.

1. Then post it.

2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104108/3589684-racerx-ba4-p18.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1037242-racerx_wwiiib1_p06.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125382/3725999-2334112200-Black.jpg

3. 'I can't answer your request for proof, so will ignore it and ask YOU for proof'. Classic. Remember, I asked for magical beings failing to affect intangible beings.

4. HV? Won't do a thing.

Here, a bloodlusted PG fires HV at a weakened Black Adam:
http://i.imgur.com/FJ2n0IS.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104108/3589682-05.jpg

He literally walks through it.

This is what a non bloodlusted PG can do:
http://i.imgur.com/6GZM98Q.png

That's KC Superman.

In this thread, we have a full power BA (so four times what you saw in that scan) who is THEN amped a further two times.

Originally posted by h1a8
When both are fighting at full capacity then you must concede. How can you give BA speed he's never shown? His limit was SHOWN to be Mach 500. Is Superman's limit around that? If you know of another showing that puts BA above Mach 500 then please show or state it. Otherwise you have no basis for saying that Superman isn't significantly faster.
If you are going off fights then most characters with speed conform to who they are fighting for the sake of the plot. Surfer against many, Superman against many, etc. Is Superman many times faster than Batman? Yes. Is grundy many times faster than Batman? No. hopefully you get my point.

http://i.imgur.com/3jVv0Zx.jpg

I do love how you ask others for proof, but post none of your own.

That scan, incidentally, shows that the perimeter field could withstand a direct asteroid hit which killed the dinos.

That asteroid outputted 4.2 x 10^23 Joules of energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater)

So let's be generous, and say BA was outputting that amount of energy when he hit it (when he was obviously > that).

ASsume he is 100kg.

So using KE = 1/2mv^2, that means his velocity was ~91.7billion m/sec. So a bit more than Mach 500, no?

And he's now 2x that.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. I said ice can be harder than steel. I didn't say Superman's ice was hard AS steel. The implication was HARDER and not as hard. Superman has frozen beings that can rip through steel like tissue paper. So it's fair to assume that it can slow down BA quite a bit.

Funny, it didn't slow down WW too much and she's a Hell of a lot weaker than Adam.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, he chooses to lower his power, and occasionally is surprised.
Then at the end of the day, he's going to crank it up and win anyways.

Just as Mxy said when Superman figured out how to beat Vyndktvx, "I told you, Superman always wins."

He can be slowed, but not stopped.

Which falls under the CIS on rule.....

So without the plot helping him, if he gets KOed once, due to him approaching every fight with his defences down..he's not coming back at the end of the day to win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1. Then post it.

2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104108/3589684-racerx-ba4-p18.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1037242-racerx_wwiiib1_p06.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125382/3725999-2334112200-Black.jpg

3. 'I can't answer your request for proof, so will ignore it and ask YOU for proof'. Classic. Remember, I asked for magical beings failing to affect intangible beings.

4. HV? Won't do a thing.

Here, a bloodlusted PG fires HV at a weakened Black Adam:
http://i.imgur.com/FJ2n0IS.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104108/3589682-05.jpg

He literally walks through it.

This is what a non bloodlusted PG can do:
http://i.imgur.com/6GZM98Q.png

That's KC Superman.

In this thread, we have a full power BA (so four times what you saw in that scan) who is THEN amped a further two times.

Even Cyborg Superman defeated a similar team while cracking jokes and demeaning them the whole time.

Supes beat him by waving his arm fast before. lol.

PG and SG both got one shotted by Prime while Clark matched up with nearly evenly in Sinestro Corp Wars and even beat him in Infinite Crisis.

Coincidentally, Adam was nothing against Prime either. He purposely let Adam hit him, laughed at his efforts and backhanded him away.

Adam also backed down from Clark once he wanted to end it.

Powergirl got wrecked by Supergirl on a few different occasions, and SG at the height of her displays of power was proven nothing to Supes.

Trying to use her in any relation to how Superman would perform is laughable.

One of Supermans weak robot minions went rogue and nearly did what Adam did in WW3 (which he was able to escalate because Supes wasn't there, the entire point of 52.) and decimated the Titans and Young Justice at once.

This shit is too funny.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which falls under the CIS on rule.....

So without the plot helping him, if he gets KOed once, due to him approaching every fight with his defences down..he's not coming back at the end of the day to win.

If your debating strategy is going to involve one chararacter fighting at the bottom end of his ability, fighting like an idiot, and then try to lowball from there, that alone shows how far apart the characters that have been in discussion are in relation to Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Meaningless. Powergirl is most often written under Superboy and Supergirl. And all 3 together couldn't beat a pissed Clark if they wanted to.

Even Cyborg Superman defeated a similar team while cracking jokes and demeaning them the whole time.

Supes beat him by waving his arm fast before. lol.

PG and SG both got one shotted by Prime while Clark matched up with nearly evenly in Sinestro Corp Wars and even beat him in Infinite Crisis.

Coincidentally, Adam was nothing against Prime either. He purposely let Adam hit him, laughed at his efforts and backhanded him away.

Adam also backed down from Clark once he wanted to end it.

Powergirl got wrecked by Supergirl on a few different occasions, and SG at the height of her displays of power was proven nothing to Supes.

Trying to use her in any relation to how Superman would perform is laughable.

One of Supermans weak robot minions went rogue and nearly did what Adam did in WW3 (which he was able to escalate because Supes wasn't there, the entire point of 52.) and decimated the Titans and Young Justice at once.

This shit is too funny.

Hence why I posted KC Superman and HV. And stipulated it was specifically, a bloodlusted PG - Barry had NEVER seen her so angry before. Making all her other showings, moot (she was obviously lowering her mental blocks here).

Originally posted by Juntai
No. On the forum Superman isn't handcuffed to the bottom end of his power just as Flash isn't held to mach speed. . Since we know he know he operates on a higher level, and the only catalyst is choice and need, its completely viable.

If your debating strategy is going to involve one chararacter fighting at the bottom end of his ability, fighting like an idiot, and then try to lowball from there, that alone shows how far apart the characters that have been in discussion are in relation to Superman.

Exactly. It is CHOICE. Character Induced. Superman, as part of his character, CHOOSES to hold back. I can post scans of him holding back, consciously and unconsciously, if you haven't seen them before?

Not trying to lowball. You and others have made it abundantly clear that in many (if not all) of his fights, Superman does not spring out of the gate with murderdeathkill in his eyes. He IS a hero, after all, and noble. 1000% not disputing that. How is this lowballing? It isn't. Superman isn't fighting like an idiot, but he is not oneshotting Imperiex Probes at the start of the OWAW storyline. Hell, he wasn't even doing that DURING the first fight with the probe.

We go by character depictions here.

Originally posted by Juntai
No, he chooses to lower his power, and occasionally is surprised.
Then at the end of the day, he's going to crank it up and win anyways.

Just as Mxy said when Superman figured out how to beat Vyndktvx, "I told you, Superman always wins."

He can be slowed, but not stopped.

Thats the things though...you can not choose when Superman is holding back and when he is displaying his full power. I see what you are trying to do here. You're trying to use Superman highs as an average while throwing out his average as the norm. It isn't right, especially since we have different writers who have different opinions of the character. Just because Pak said Hulk held back his power since his creation, I can't exempt his losses because of this. I can't say that his fights against Thor and Surfer isn't legit and yes, Hulk has crumbled people more powerful than them.

What I am saying is, his fights against Orion, you can not sit here and say that going by those fights, they are not equals. Or how about his showings against Captain Marvel, etc, etc... Superman is powerful but you are trying to hype him up into something he isn't. Superman is a Herald who have losses under his belt against other Herald. Superman also have high showings just like any other hero that holds back on a day to day basis. This is why I'm saying you are wrong. If you're going to give this much credit to Supes, especially with us knowing that writers have different perspective of how his power works, then you need to share the wealth with the other heros.

Prime laughed at Adam. Superman was matching Time Trapper Prime in h2h and was drawing blood with his punches.

Under the same writer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Adam wins.

H1, shut up.

Oh and Carver evolved is on the loose again.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.imgur.com/3jVv0Zx.jpg

I do love how you ask others for proof, but post none of your own.

That scan, incidentally, shows that the perimeter field could withstand a direct asteroid hit which killed the dinos.

That asteroid outputted 4.2 x 10^23 Joules of energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater)

So let's be generous, and say BA was outputting that amount of energy when he hit it (when he was obviously > that).

ASsume he is 100kg.

So using KE = 1/2mv^2, that means his velocity was ~91.7billion m/sec. So a bit more than Mach 500, no?

And he's now 2x that.

The full scan isn't working.
1st, Superman is astronomically faster than that.
Second. I was referring to combat speed, not flight speed. Speed of limbs, travel speed, speed of changing directions, and reflexes are all key.
Third, I can fly at billions of m/s from many miles away and still not have light speed reactions nor the ability to change directions on a dime.
Fourth, BA traveled from miles away. Thus he had to accelerate to that speed over the distance. That's not practical to battle speed from battle distance.
Fifth, BA has magic lightning in his punches right? Maybe that contributes to the damage.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
1. Then post it.

2. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104108/3589684-racerx-ba4-p18.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1037242-racerx_wwiiib1_p06.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111125382/3725999-2334112200-Black.jpg

3. 'I can't answer your request for proof, so will ignore it and ask YOU for proof'. Classic. Remember, I asked for magical beings failing to affect intangible beings.

4. HV? Won't do a thing.

Here, a bloodlusted PG fires HV at a weakened Black Adam:
http://i.imgur.com/FJ2n0IS.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/104108/3589682-05.jpg

He literally walks through it.

This is what a non bloodlusted PG can do:
http://i.imgur.com/6GZM98Q.png

That's KC Superman.

In this thread, we have a full power BA (so four times what you saw in that scan) who is THEN amped a further two times.

1. Superman freezing Bizarro for minutes and WW for moments is for starters.

2. Those are not the type of lightning attacks I was referring to. Sorry, I should have been more clear. I'm talking about a ranged attack of lightning. Not him grabbing opponents just to give them some lightning. I don't see him grabbing Superman at all in this fight. Even if he does then Superman gets out of it instantly.

3. But I don't really have to show instances in order to prove it. Just like a character doesn't automatically have tp resistance if they have no feats of showing it. But I was thinking more of Thor and Loki as my examples. I believe Thor attempted to hit Loki once with a physical attack but Loki was intangible at the time. Note: I didn't say a magical being could use a magical spell or magical power to try to hit an intangible being. I said, they can't do it with a physical punch. Thor can't swing his fists and hit someone intangible without proof.

4. LOL. 4 things. Characters power level fluctuate in comics depending on the plot. It's faulty to use a character's power level in one issue and equate it to another the same power level in a different issue. I can show Gladiator busting a planet in one comic and failing to one shot Colossus or Thing in another. Does that mean Colossus and Thing can withstand planet busting punches?

The second issue is that Superman's hv is far more powerful than PG's hv by feats. Superman doesn't kill so he both consciously and subconsciously holds back when fighting weaker beings. When Superman is applying his hv to non living things he does stuff like welding the fabric of the universe. And when he stops holding back he one shots Trans level beings with his hv. His hv was stated to be hotter than the core of a star.

Third, There was no indication in the scan that PG was holding back against Superman. It's not like he's a human. He's more powerful than her. So why hit someone more powerful with less than all your might, knowing that even hitting them with all your might will not amount to much? Writer's intent there was she blasted with full strength.

Fourth, She was actually burning BA. She didn't damage Superman in any way. All she did was concuss Superman.

Adam wins.

H1, shut up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hence why I posted KC Superman and HV. And stipulated it was specifically, a bloodlusted PG - Barry had NEVER seen her so angry before. Making all her other showings, moot (she was obviously lowering her mental blocks here).

No. Power Girl still isn't Superman. Just like Gladiator isn't Superman. Just like Hyperion isn't Superman. Just like Supergirl isn't Superman.

An example of someone performing well against her is like showing someone walking through a Surfer blast and acting like Galactus would do the same too since they're both power cosmic.

Exactly. It is CHOICE. Character Induced. Superman, as part of his character, CHOOSES to hold back. I can post scans of him holding back, consciously and unconsciously, if you haven't seen them before?

Not trying to lowball. You and others have made it abundantly clear that in many (if not all) of his fights, Superman does not spring out of the gate with murderdeathkill in his eyes. He IS a hero, after all, and noble. 1000% not disputing that. How is this lowballing? It isn't. Superman isn't fighting like an idiot, but he is not oneshotting Imperiex Probes at the start of the OWAW storyline. Hell, he wasn't even doing that DURING the first fight with the probe.

We go by character depictions here.

And also, Superman's example of holding back to have lessers be a threat is written under "PIS" and not "CIS." on the forum rules page.

And the rest is covered under the Full Capacity rule. Just because he doesn't all the time, we know he can if he chooses to do so, just as Flash running lightspeed is viable on the forum.

Because the only catalyst is him deciding to do so.