Black Adam amp2x Vs Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
No. Power Girl still isn't Superman. Just like Gladiator isn't Superman. Just like Hyperion isn't Superman. Just like Supergirl isn't Superman.

An example of someone performing well against her is like showing someone walking through a Surfer blast and acting like Galactus would do the same too since they're both power cosmic.

However, he can choose to do so, and thus you need to be prepared to debate against it.

And also, Superman's example of holding back to have lessers be a threat is written under "PIS" and not "CIS." on the forum rules page.

And the rest is covered under the Full Capacity rule. Just because he doesn't all the time, we know he can if he chooses to do so, just as Flash running lightspeed is viable on the forum.

Because the only catalyst is him deciding to do so.

Superman wears red bikinis over his leotard. Why are you wasting your breath defending this crap character?

Originally posted by h1a8
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1st, Superman is astronomically faster than that.

Second. I was referring to combat speed, not flight speed. Speed of limbs, travel speed, speed of changing directions, and reflexes are all key.

Third, I can fly at billions of m/s from many miles away and still not have light speed reactions nor the ability to change directions on a dime.

Fourth, BA traveled from miles away. Thus he had to accelerate to that speed over the distance. That's not practical to battle speed from battle distance.

Fifth, BA has magic lightning in his punches right? Maybe that contributes to the damage.

1. Superman freezing Bizarro for minutes and WW for moments is for starters.

2. Those are not the type of lightning attacks I was referring to. Sorry, I should have been more clear. I'm talking about a ranged attack of lightning. Not him grabbing opponents just to give them some lightning. I don't see him grabbing Superman at all in this fight. Even if he does then Superman gets out of it instantly.

3. But I don't really have to show instances in order to prove it. Just like a character doesn't automatically have tp resistance if they have no feats of showing it. But I was thinking more of Thor and Loki as my examples. I believe Thor attempted to hit Loki once with a physical attack but Loki was intangible at the time. Note: I didn't say a magical being could use a magical spell or magical power to try to hit an intangible being. I said, they can't do it with a physical punch. Thor can't swing his fists and hit someone intangible without proof.

4. LOL. 4 things. Characters power level fluctuate in comics depending on the plot. It's faulty to use a character's power level in one issue and equate it to another the same power level in a different issue. I can show Gladiator busting a planet in one comic and failing to one shot Colossus or Thing in another. Does that mean Colossus and Thing can withstand planet busting punches?

The second issue is that Superman's hv is far more powerful than PG's hv by feats. Superman doesn't kill so he both consciously and subconsciously holds back when fighting weaker beings. When Superman is applying his hv to non living things he does stuff like welding the fabric of the universe. And when he stops holding back he one shots Trans level beings with his hv. His hv was stated to be hotter than the core of a star.

Third, There was no indication in the scan that PG was holding back against Superman. It's not like he's a human. He's more powerful than her. So why hit someone more powerful with less than all your might, knowing that even hitting them with all your might will not amount to much? Writer's intent there was she blasted with full strength.

Fourth, She was actually burning BA. She didn't damage Superman in any way. All she did was concuss Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
However, he can choose to do so, and thus you need to be prepared to debate against it.

And also, Superman's example of holding back to have lessers be a threat is written under "PIS" and not "CIS." on the forum rules page.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively.

That sounds like Superman to a T.

Because the only catalyst is him deciding to do so.

Agreed.

Originally posted by h1a8
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1st, Superman is astronomically faster than that.
Second. I was referring to combat speed, not flight speed. Speed of limbs, travel speed, speed of changing directions, and reflexes are all key.
Third, I can fly at billions of m/s from many miles away and still not have light speed reactions nor the ability to change directions on a dime.
Fourth, BA traveled from miles away. Thus he had to accelerate to that speed over the distance. That's not practical to battle speed from battle distance.
Fifth, BA has magic lightning in his punches right? Maybe that contributes to the damage.

1. Superman freezing Bizarro for minutes and WW for moments is for starters.

Bizarro is a friggin' idiot. Wonder Woman's combat awareness is leagues above that dumbass'. Bizarro is so dumb it probaly took him a while to figure out "Duh...I think me frozen. Guess me needs to break out of it so I can go kill my good friend Sooooperman". IF you think that somehow proves WW is stronger than Bizarro you're even crazier than I thought you were.

Superman choosing his power level should be obvious to everyone now I guess but let's just see at what level he is according to the KMC tier or the Marvel world.

So let's assume that Superman on his normal levels is Thor or Silver Surfer level, the so called Herald Tier.

In the beginning of the OWAW he was trained by Mongul and increased his power, yet even with Mongus help, the Probe performed better against him than Thanos against Thor or the Silver Surfer.

So what level was he at already, the Probe must be at the very least mid to High trans by KMC tiers. Superman would be what, HH+?

Later he fights a Probe and actually destroys it, going ko in the process, on probe hospitalized the entire Justice league and later only with great amps were some heroes able to destroy one while dying in the process. So even if we lowball that Probe to low trans and see Superman still beat it, we can assume he is already in the low trans tier, if not in the mid trans.

Even later he goes against multiple Probes and oneshots them, even if we loball the shit out of them and say they were HH+, low Trans and Mid Trans level (though evidence shows they were higher up to the low Skyfather tier). What level was Superman on to oneshot them left and right while surviving the released energies? Thanos a KMC High Trans against Silver Surfer needed 6 hits, against Thor even more and they are KMC Heralds. Odin oneshot the Silver Surfer in their encounter and does really well against Galactus.

I leave the Tier Superman is at this point to your imagination, oneshotting HH+ (lowballing) or Translevel Probes.

With the sundip his power increased at least a 100fold, what level would he be then?

This jump from the KMC HH tier to levels far beyond it is what Superman is all about. Sure, in a normal story he will hold back more than Mindset in a Catholic School for Girls but if the threat is big enough and once he figures out how much he needs to let go, he will be wherever he wants to be. Oneshotting KMC HH as a side effect of his HV in the process like he did in FC.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman choosing his power level should be obvious to everyone now I guess but let's just see at what level he is according to the KMC tier or the Marvel world.

So let's assume that Superman on his normal levels is Thor or Silver Surfer level, the so called Herald Tier.

In the beginning of the OWAW he was trained by Mongul and increased his power, yet even with Mongus help, the Probe performed better against him than Thanos against Thor or the Silver Surfer.

So what level was he at already, the Probe must be at the very least mid to High trans by KMC tiers. Superman would be what, HH+?

Later he fights a Probe and actually destroys it, going ko in the process, on probe hospitalized the entire Justice league and later only with great amps were some heroes able to destroy one while dying in the process. So even if we lowball that Probe to low trans and see Superman still beat it, we can assume he is already in the low trans tier, if not in the mid trans.

Even later he goes against multiple Probes and oneshots them, even if we loball the shit out of them and say they were HH+, low Trans and Mid Trans level (though evidence shows they were higher up to the low Skyfather tier). What level was Superman on to oneshot them left and right while surviving the released energies? Thanos a KMC High Trans against Silver Surfer needed 6 hits, against Thor even more and they are KMC Heralds. Odin oneshot the Silver Surfer in their encounter and does really well against Galactus.

I leave the Tier Superman is at this point to your imagination, oneshotting HH+ (lowballing) or Translevel Probes.

With the sundip his power increased at least a 100fold, what level would he be then?

This jump from the KMC HH tier to levels far beyond it is what Superman is all about. Sure, in a normal story he will hold back more than Mindset in a Catholic School for Girls but if the threat is big enough and once he figures out how much he needs to let go, he will be wherever he wants to be. Oneshotting KMC HH as a side effect of his HV in the process like he did in FC.

Thor's fight with Glory for example. He went out and beat a Skyfather that was equated to Odin plus all of Asgard combined. Yet we don't run around saying Thor is skyfather level now. All of the High Heralds have feats that somehow would take them above their weight class in certain instances.

I do agree that Superman probably has more instances but that is because he has consistently been DC's flag ship character in such events.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem with this analogy is that being High Herald vs Mid Herald in cases is because those guys go to 11 in comics when it calls for it.

Thor's fight with Glory for example. He went out and beat a Skyfather that was equated to Odin plus all of Asgard combined. Yet we don't run around saying Thor is skyfather level now. All of the High Heralds have feats that somehow would take them above their weight class in certain instances.

I do agree that Superman probably has more instances but that is because he has consistently been DC's flag ship character in such events.

Yes yes, Thor has Mjolnir a Skyfather weapon, the difference is, while he has this Skyfather plotdevice weapon Superman actually IS this plot device weapon. 😉

Thanos is a KMC Trans, give him the IG or THOTI and he is Universal, actually he himself is the same, the power comes from the toy.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yes yes, Thor has Mjolnir a Skyfather weapon, the difference is, while he has this Skyfather plotdevice weapon Superman actually IS this plot device weapon. 😉

Thanos is a KMC Trans, give him the IG or THOTI and he is Universal, actually he himself is the same, the power comes from the toy.

Like Spiderman, and Batman?

Idk but eclipso thought captain marvel was strong enough to kill superman, and we do have instances of captain marvel knocking superman out with 2 punches.

Superman Cracked the moon in moon in half but captain marvel knocked him out in two punches

Also superman can crack the moon in half but he cant just simply physically restrain black adam if he was that much stronger than him???
instead he decides to use a punch that would most likely level the entire earth and kill every single living being on it??

superman rather kill all living beings on earth than physically restrain black adam 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like Spiderman, and Batman?

More like Spiderman but Batman has his Batkick, the abstract power comes from Bruce, do never again lowball the power of Batman, do you hear me! uhuh

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yes yes, Thor has Mjolnir a Skyfather weapon, the difference is, while he has this Skyfather plotdevice weapon Superman actually IS this plot device weapon. 😉

Thanos is a KMC Trans, give him the IG or THOTI and he is Universal, actually he himself is the same, the power comes from the toy.

I mean the hammer says it grants the power of Thor after all.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Idk but eclipso thought captain marvel was strong enough to kill superman, and we do have instances of captain marvel knocking superman out with [b]2 punches.

Superman Cracked the moon in moon in half but captain marvel knocked him out in two punches [/B]

That was a sucker punch from a magic sparking fist.

Originally posted by Newjak
Isn't that like saying a Green Lantern is only high herald because of their ring... the equipment is so intertwined with the character does it really matter.

I mean the hammer says it grants the power of Thor after all.

Yes it is, exactly. Hal Jordan is maybe a low Street without the Ring, the Herald power comes from the Ring, the Skyfather feats from the ring energy combined with Hals willpower.

Thor without Mjolnir is a Herald character, with Mjolnir, the skyfather weapon, he can go out of his tier and make a hungry Galactus run or defeat a skyfather. Remember that even Odin wasn't able to lift Mjolnir because he became unworthy.

Could someone else use Mjolnir as effective as Thor? Might be, but he is the best, most experienced with it.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yes it is, exactly. Hal Jordan is maybe a low Street without the Ring, the Herald power comes from the Ring, the Skyfather feats from the ring energy combined with Hals willpower.

Thor without Mjolnir is a Herald character, with Mjolnir, the skyfather weapon, he can go out of his tier and make a hungry Galactus run or defeat a skyfather. Remember that even Odin wasn't able to lift Mjolnir because he became unworthy.

Could someone else use Mjolnir as effective as Thor? Might be, but he is the best, most experienced with it.

So does that mean Thor's power is Skyfather level since the hammer only grants Thor's power to the wielder?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Yes it is, exactly. Hal Jordan is maybe a low Street without the Ring, the Herald power comes from the Ring, the Skyfather feats from the ring energy combined with Hals willpower.

Thor without Mjolnir is a Herald character, with Mjolnir, the skyfather weapon, he can go out of his tier and make a hungry Galactus run or defeat a skyfather. Remember that even Odin wasn't able to lift Mjolnir because he became unworthy.

Could someone else use Mjolnir as effective as Thor? Might be, but he is the best, most experienced with it.

Thor without Mjolnir isn't Thor, doe.

It is now canon, that the hammer makes you Thor. Whosoever can lift the hammer, possesses the power of Thor.

If you have a thread with 'Thor' in it, then he has Mjolnir, and Mjolnir gives you the power of Thor.

Mjolnir gives you Thor's power. To argue that it is a Skyfather level weapon, is to make Thor Skyfather level.

To both of you.

Ok the Hammer bestows whoever wields it the power of Thor. Simple as that Mjolnir gives a normal guy or girl the powers of a Herald, the power of Thor, not the power of Mjolnir. This alone makes the weapon a Herald maker, it still has far more power in it and more then enough to turn a being into a Herald? Nice isn't it?

And Thor Odinson was still a Herald even without Mjolnir, till he and his Bro Hyperion died.

There is no contradiction to what you say and what i say btw. Skyfather plot device weapon making normal joes into heralds and allowing them to unleashe skyfather blasts from it. Yet the power in their bodies is just Herald level and they can be put to sleep by punches that would be ineffective against Mjolnir while all the Skyfatherloving power remains in the weapon.

I am indeed.

Against Toyman. Let me refresh your memory on what CIS actually means:

That sounds like Superman to a T.

Agreed.

However he doesn't suffer Cis as a character like Rhino does. When Superman encounters a situation that requires he be faster, stronger, more powerful, he leaps past his peers to do so consistently.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem with this analogy is that being High Herald vs Mid Herald in cases is because those guys go to 11 in comics when it calls for it.

Thor's fight with Glory for example. He went out and beat a Skyfather that was equated to Odin plus all of Asgard combined. Yet we don't run around saying Thor is skyfather level now. All of the High Heralds have feats that somehow would take them above their weight class in certain instances.

I do agree that Superman probably has more instances but that is because he has consistently been DC's flag ship character in such events.

👆

I hope that got through to them.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem with this analogy is that being High Herald vs Mid Herald in cases is because those guys go to 11 in comics when it calls for it.

Thor's fight with Glory for example. He went out and beat a Skyfather that was equated to Odin plus all of Asgard combined. Yet we don't run around saying Thor is skyfather level now. All of the High Heralds have feats that somehow would take them above their weight class in certain instances.

I do agree that Superman probably has more instances but that is because he has consistently been DC's flag ship character in such events.

Thor was overwhelmed and got lucky.

Superman fights a godkiller he spins in a circle and crushes him and or makes him beg for quarter.