Black Adam amp2x Vs Superman

Originally posted by h1a8
why is being 2x stronger than someone an automatic stomp.
Cap and Batman can beat characters more than twice as powerful as them. This is due to skill and speed. speed is greater than skill anyday of the week. Superman is much faster than BA. Superman has hv and freeze breath. This more than compensates for being twice as powerful (if you believe that).

People are debating blindly here. Superman is more than twice as powerful as Thor and Surfer yet many have arguments that they can beat Superman due to versatility.

Superman is not MUCH faster than Black Adam. That's non-sense. He has an edge yes but it's not a huge one. You obviously don't know much about Adam or Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
2x everything, 2x strength 2x speed 2x stamina 2xexperience 2x everything

Y the amp? And which adam, old or new?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y the amp? And which adam, old or new?

😮

@ Juntai.
A single Probe did exactly the same thing as a rogue Supergirl.

During WWiii, Black Adam embarrassed even more characters than that.

Darkseid is a subject that we shouldn't get into, because first we need to figure out who the real Darkseid actually is.

Has Superman, or Doomsday actually ever fought the true Darkseid?

You didn't really answer any of my questions, but instead jumped into pushing Superman beyond his tier without being objective, or considering all of the characters that have pushed him to his limits, or outright defeated him. In order for you to see the entire picture, you would also need to see that other well known High Heralds have also transcended their respective tier. Thor has a history of defeating characters that should have crushed him like a flea.

Originally posted by h1a8
why is being 2x stronger than someone an automatic stomp.
Cap and Batman can beat characters more than twice as powerful as them. This is due to skill and speed. speed is greater than skill anyday of the week. Superman is much faster than BA. Superman has hv and freeze breath. This more than compensates for being twice as powerful (if you believe that).

People are debating blindly here. Superman is more than twice as powerful as Thor and Surfer yet many have arguments that they can beat Superman due to versatility.

The only people that would be debating blindly, would be those that took anything that you're writing for face value. Black Adam has actually gone above his tier, but you don't seem to be willing to see this for the truth that it is. I also recall you saying that HV wouldn't hurt Black Adam, but here you are arguing the opposite. Double standard much?

Originally posted by Star428
Superman is not MUCH faster than Black Adam. That's non-sense. He has an edge yes but it's not a huge one. You obviously don't know much about Adam or Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by h1a8
Trust me, I know much more than you and most people about those two characters. Do you know how fast BA is (combat wise)? His top speed in comics shown was Mach 500. That's fast as hell but less than 1 thousandth of the speed of light. If Superman only moved at 10% of the speed of light then he would more than hundreds of times faster. And if I used Superman's top speed shown it would be a horrific stomp.

Hmmm...prove it

Originally posted by h1a8
So you believe that if a character is twice as strong but the weaker character has the speed advantage and long range attacks then it's a stomp for the stronger?

Originally posted by h1a8
Trust me, I know much more than you realize about those two characters. Do you know how fast BA is (combat wise)? His top speed in comics shown was Mach 500. That's fast as hell but less than 1 thousandth of the speed of light. If Superman only moved at 10% of the speed of light then he would more than hundreds of times faster. And if I used Superman's top speed shown it would be a horrific stomp.

Prove it. When has Superman ever speed blitzed a character comparable to Black Adam in a comic? Did this happen when he faced off against Captain Marvel? If so when, and in what comic?

H1, if it comes to light via proof that Adam can only move 1/1000 the speed of superman, I'll concede.

Originally posted by Stoic

The only people that would be debating blindly, would be those that took anything that you're writing for face value. Black Adam has actually gone above his tier, but you don't seem to be willing to see this for the truth that it is. I also recall you saying that HV wouldn't hurt Black Adam, but here you are arguing the opposite. Double standard much?

Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, a single probe beat Green Lantern, Flash, Manhunter, Plastic Man, Aquaman and Hawkgirl like they were light work and was never in trouble.
Another probe destroyed General Zod, Ignition, The Titans, and the Outsiders.

Superman was slapping them in half like they were made of paper.

Darkseid is above the gods, and above Monitors, and above Lords of Order and Chaos and Superman is above him.
Doomsday was above Darkseid, and even Guardians of the Universe and Superman was above him.

etc etc.

Superman putting his mind to task is debatable the most unstoppable force in the DCU.

Originally posted by Stoic
@ Juntai.
A single Probe did exactly the same thing as a rogue Supergirl.

During WWiii, Black Adam embarrassed even more characters than that.

Darkseid is a subject that we shouldn't get into, because first we need to figure out who the real Darkseid actually is.

Has Superman, or Doomsday actually ever fought the true Darkseid?

You didn't really answer any of my questions, but instead jumped into pushing Superman beyond his tier without being objective, or considering all of the characters that have pushed him to his limits, or outright defeated him. In order for you to see the entire picture, you would also need to see that other well known High Heralds have also transcended their respective tier. Thor has a history of defeating characters that should have crushed him like a flea.

And the entire point of 52, including WW3, was that it was the "Year Without Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman", [the tagline of the series] and specifically a yearlong snapshot of how difficult life is if he wasn't there to stop such threats witnessed during the event.

It's not a matter of Superman trancending his tier. His story specifically is that is that he is always that strong, and chooses to hold back his power and live on Earth instead. A god among men.

People like Doomsday, Darkseid, Imperiex, gods and devils, and 5th dimension imps and Brainiac, etc, compose Superman's rogue gallery. It's very telling of his standing the universe.

Originally posted by long pig
H1, if it comes to light via proof that Adam can only move 1/1000 the speed of superman, I'll concede.

Originally posted by h1a8
When did Adam go out of his tier. What did he do actually? And what relevance does that have against someone faster than him? Time manipulation is the most unfair advantage in the universe. Speed is a form of time manipulation. Speed is greater than both strength and speed. Flash can literally stomp beings millions of times stronger. Cap can beat beings several times stronger. Surfer can too.

Instead of ignoring the portion of the post that I wrote to Juntai go back and re-read it. This way, I won't have to write the same thing over again. Actually I'll just quote it.

Originally posted by Stoic
@ Juntai.
A single Probe did exactly the same thing as a rogue Supergirl.

During WWiii, Black Adam embarrassed even more characters than that.

Darkseid is a subject that we shouldn't get into, because first we need to figure out who the real Darkseid actually is.

Has Superman, or Doomsday actually ever fought the true Darkseid?

You didn't really answer any of my questions, but instead jumped into pushing Superman beyond his tier without being objective, or considering all of the characters that have pushed him to his limits, or outright defeated him. In order for you to see the entire picture, you would also need to see that other well known High Heralds have also transcended their respective tier. Thor has a history of defeating characters that should have crushed him like a flea.

The only people that would be debating blindly, would be those that took anything that you're writing for face value. Black Adam has actually gone above his tier, but you don't seem to be willing to see this for the truth that it is. I also recall you saying that HV wouldn't hurt Black Adam, but here you are arguing the opposite. Double standard much?

Why hasn't superman ever blitzed him? He didn't seem to have the ability to do so.

Originally posted by Juntai
Interestingly enough, Superman also stopped rogue Supergirl.

And the entire point of 52, including WW3, was that it was the "Year Without Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman", [the tagline of the series] and specifically a yearlong snapshot of how difficult life is if he wasn't there to stop such threats witnessed during the event.

It's not a matter of Superman trancending his tier. His story specifically is that is that he is always that strong, and chooses to hold back his power and live on Earth instead. A god among men.

People like Doomsday, Darkseid, Imperiex, gods and devils, and 5th dimension imps and Brainiac, etc, compose Superman's rogue gallery. It's very telling of his standing the universe.

Even if he held back, this would not reduce his durability, and yet we have seen Superman getting knocked out by far less than Thanos, not to mention a being more powerful than the Titan (Odin). Yet there we have it, apparently people vastly weaker than he is can KO him. Or what are you saying? is he faking being knocked out by these supposed inferior beings for shits and giggles? The Hulk holds back as well for fear of killing his opponents, but I'm not going to say that because he has near unlimited potential that he's going to walk around unrestrained knocking out Galactus, and playing ping pong with Odin's skull.

How far are people willing to push this thing with Superman? We saw Helspont slap the mess out of Superman, and even if he were holding back, it as I mentioned, wouldn't have effected his durability. Unless Helspont is also an Odin level character? i know that's not the truth, but we need a way of correcting things that make little sense. I for one can not see what the problem is with Superman being in the High Herald tier?

Originally posted by long pig
Why hasn't superman ever blitzed him? He didn't seem to have the ability to do so.

He was being cocky. He wanted to be tagged on the chin.

Originally posted by Stoic
Even if he held back, this would not reduce his durability, and yet we have seen Superman getting knocked out by far less than Thanos, not to mention a being more powerful than the Titan (Odin). Yet there we have it, apparently people vastly weaker than he is can KO him. Or what are you saying? is he faking being knocked out by these supposed inferior beings for shits and giggles? The Hulk holds back as well for fear of killing his opponents, but I'm not going to say that because he has near unlimited potential that he's going to walk around unrestrained knocking out Galactus, and playing ping pong with Odin's skull.

How far are people willing to push this thing with Superman? We saw Helspont slap the mess out of Superman, and even if he were holding back, it as I mentioned, wouldn't have effected his durability. Unless Helspont is also an Odin level character? i know that's not the truth, but we need a way of correcting things that make little sense. I for one can not see what the problem is with Superman being in the High Herald tier?

Going back to your 52 reference, he was powerless the entire time, correct?
Regular human?

But you read Up Up and Away, correct?

Funny, the moment he decided to use power, there it was.
And then decided he was making himself powerless the entire time.

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We should come up with a name for the reality denying disease superman fans seem to be infected with.

Supermania?😂

LOL. Obviously, you missed how nearly every Superman fan minus one or perhaps two has said Adam wins here. Looks like you're the one denying reality.