European Migration Crisis

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I live in Germany and though I see some problems with the migration because of different mindsets and social structures I also see the opportunities and the responsibility of us, the west, to help those that are bombed and robbed by our governments and companies.

why can't the men fight for their country?

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's probably true that there weren't many, however there likely won't be many from this case either, which has more to do with Germany's ****ed up and outdated laws of what constitutes sexual assault and rape.

Originally posted by Raisen
I hope this doesn't turn into blaming the victims. God. I really hope he isn't that twisted

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Unreal you blaming this on the victims

Originally posted by Raisen
He is such a sickening hypocrite

Originally posted by Stigma
Unfortunately (and shockingly) it does sound as if he's blaming the victims...

I hope Bardock will clear up what he meant.

Bardock: I blame Germany's awful laws!
Clown Bridgade: How dare you blame the victim?

Smh

Originally posted by Raisen
why can't the men fight for their country?

How can you fight planes dropping bombs on you, if you have no planes? That would be retarded. The only smart move, the only valid move if you want to survive is flee. IS is not the biggest problem in Syria, only for the west.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Bardock: I blame Germany's awful laws!
Clown Bridgade: How dare you blame the victim?

Smh

then you should be more specific and explain. your views are so twisted that most couldn't guess with you. so get out of your race car bed and type an explanation. you might burn some calories in the process.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
How can you fight planes dropping bombs on you, if you have no planes? IS is not the biggest problem in Syria, only for the west.

they should have been fighting isis. oh yeah, 15% of the refugees ARE isis.

Originally posted by Raisen
they should have been fighting isis. oh yeah, 15% of the refugees ARE isis.

Lulz. ISIS is a product of the west and not the main problem of Syria. With a stable government under Assad and Russias help ISIS wouldn't last long. 15%? Wow, Internet facts strike again. Link to this study pls.

Stigma, raisen and TI- Bartdock didn't say anything remotely close to victim blaming and your attack on him here amounts to outright flaming.

Just this warning. Keep up that sort of attack on Bardock and you will be banned. Have the basic courtesy to engage properly with his posts.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Lulz. ISIS is a product of the west and not the main problem of Syria. With a stable government under Assad and Russias help ISIS wouldn't last long. 15%? Wow, Internet facts strike again. Link to this study pls.

lulz. and which party are you? which party wanted to overthrow assad? lulz. how many citizens should be hurt, raped, or killed by fighting age refugees? lulz. see how this game can be played

Again, raisen, actually engage with posts. If you just threw out that 15% figure with no backing at all, then you were in bad faith posting here. If you can back it, then back it. But don't ever engage in purely aggravating posts with someone just because they called you out on posting nonsense.

Originally posted by Raisen
lulz. and which party are you? which party wanted to overthrow assad? lulz. how many citizens should be hurt, raped, or killed by fighting age refugees? lulz. see how this game can be played

I am the anti-war party. The war in Syria is a great income for our western weapon manufacturers. There are now over 100 groups that are trying to do this, most of them, sans al-Nusra, ISIS and maybe some 2-5 radical ones, are supported by the western nations. What citizens? Ours? It's wrong to blame a million people because of the actions of few. I see how you play it and you are really bad at it, misinformed maybe and afraid of what is to come. The change we experience in europe comes from the action of the US and us, the western allies of the US. This is a fact we have to accept. It's our responsiblity to handle the oucomes of the wrongs we did. For every action there is an reaction.

Even before the Irak war, but let's start there.

US supports the opposition with weapons to overthrown Assad (geopolitical strategy) -> War in Syria/Refugees in the West
US war on Irak, sanctions on Iran -> ISIS is born -> War in Syria/Terror in the West

Stop the war. Every bomb will create more victims, more hate for the west, more soldiers for the IS.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Bardock: I blame Germany's awful laws!
Clown Bridgade: How dare you blame the victim?

Smh

Sorry. I must have misinterpreted what you said. It was not meant to offend you.

On a side note: You seem to blame everyone else but not the actual perpetrators.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I live in Germany and though I see some problems with the migration because of different mindsets and social structures I also see the opportunities and the responsibility of us, the west, to help those that are bombed and robbed by our governments and companies.

On the other hand, in a few years it will be clear how the situation develops. It seems that it can go to much darker places than now.

Originally posted by Stigma
Hold on your horses, snowflake.

Sorry. I must have misinterpreted what you said. It was not meant to offend you.

On a side note: You seem to blame everyone else but not the actual perpetrators.

That, again, is completely misrepresenting what I said. Tbh, lets not pretend that this is accidental, you'd have to be the most stupid person in the world to misunderstand so many posts in a row (posts that everyone else that's not equally biased like you can see for what they are). You are actively and deliberately lying about what I say.

First I pointed out to you that the article a few pages back only referred to one incident, then you lied for 2 pages about it being about general crime in Germany (when called out by a mod, you slighly changed your opinion, but it was still a lie, but lets forget that for now)

Then you talked about how there probably aren't many cases of sexual assault in Cologne, and I agreed with you, and said that this is due to German laws being awful and outdated, you (and your posse) then proceeded to claim that I was claiming the victims (even though they victims were not part of either of our statements at all)

Now that this previous lie has also been pointed out to be just that, you are changing your lie again, this time claiming I blame anyone but the perpetrators. This is, again, at the face of it, a complete and disingenuous misinterpretation of what we were talking about. Far from me not blaming the perpetrators I was talking about that German laws do not convict enough perpetrators. So in fact my position is the exact opposite of the lies that you and Raisen and TI have fabricated.

It's just pathetic, I'm willing to engage in conversation with all of you (and do so in multiple threads), but your continued, thinly-veiled, deliberate misinterpretation of my stances is completely contrary to any constructive discussion.

Um.I already admitted I was wrong about the article at first. Then I corrected myself.

Then I misinterpreted your post, but it was only because it seemed strange to me.

So let's not focus on something that I wholeheartedly admit I did wrong and was wrong.

However,I have not seen you condemn the perpetrators of that crime. What you did is to condemn the law....Unless You can point me to the instance where you did. (I did not read the whole damn thread)

Also, can you stop hurling insults of stupidity. The whole situation stems from misunderstanding. On top of that you do not strike me as an intellectual maverick yourself.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um.I already admitted I was wrong about the article at first. Then I corrected myself.

Then I misinterpreted your post, but it was only because it seemed strange to me.

So let's not focus on something that I admott I did wrong and was wrong.

No, like I said, this is not accidental misinterpretation, nor did you correct yourself, you just slightly shifted to a different misrepresentation, this is a pattern of you claiming I say the opposite of what I actually say.

Originally posted by Stigma
However,I have not seen you condemn the perpetrators of that crime. What you did is to condemn the law....Unless You can point me to the instance where you did. (I did not read the whole damn thread)

Saying that a law is not strong enough equal to blaming perpetrators. I want more perpetrators to face justice.

This is just disingenuous, yes in our discussion previously neither of us talked about it being the perpetrators fault, because that was not the topic. However when I brought up the law I actually made clear that I want more perpetrators to be found legally guilty. By the same token I could claim "you don't blame the perpetrators", because you haven't either in our discussion.

Originally posted by Stigma
Also, can you stop hurling insults of stupidity. The whole situations stems from misunderstanding. On top of that you do not strike me as an intellectual maverick yourself.

I didn't call you stupid, I said the exact opposite, I said you are actively malicious.

Well, have my apology then as I did not want to come off as malicious.

But be mindful this is your subjective feeling and I really did not want to hurt you but point out what I find baffling about your way of thinking.

Other than that I am having lunch atm, hard to post and eat at the same time.

But you completely misrepresent my way of thinking. If you find anything baffling you find the strawman that's not even loosely related to my posts that you have created baffling.

And sorry, but I just don't believe you when you say this is a genuine misunderstanding.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But you completely misrepresent my way of thinking.

Agree to disagree then. And let's leave it at that.

FYI I am having pork chops, mashed potatoes and a salad.

Some more infor on migration policy:
Merkel insists no change of course on migrant crisis

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/729f53cc-de71-11e5-b7fd-0dfe89910bd6.html#axzz41lx0ca39

German chancellor Angela Merkel said she had no “Plan B” for solving the refugee crisis, and insisted there was nothing that would make her change course — despite growing popular anger in Germany at her government’s handling of the issue.

Thought? Did that news relaxes or disturbs you?

Interesting...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/649602/EXPOSED-Germany-migrants-crime-cant-deported

EXPOSED: Germany's growing problem of migrants who turn to crime - and CAN'T be deported

GERMANY is facing a growing and alarming problem with young North African immigrant boys who make it into the country to turn to crime - in the certain knowledge they will not be deported.

There are now 70,000 unaccompanied minors in Germany and less than 100 went back to their country of origin last year.

Shockingly, even those who committed offences are allowed to stay because they claim to be underage and not one forced deportation of unaccompanied minors was enacted in 2015.

David Seeger, a social worker who dealt with new unaccompanied arrivals from North Africa in a centre in southern Germany last year, said: "They came from Barcelona to us and within months were dealing drugs, threatening employees, beating up the security guards.

"Two were arrested for robbery. The rest moved on in October."

A colleague of his added: "They went out, attacked people, took cocaine, beat up the security guards and went to sleep. These guys were super difficult, the police were super nice.