Windu & Yoda vs Tyranus & Sidious

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat Dooku and lost to Kenobi. Rage was used in both so quit just saying random double standards.

No, that means he will miss his unscarred face but use it to his advantage. It never said anything like that.

He said Windu overcame him. When did he say Palpatine threw the fight ?

I'm not using double standards. He was defintly more focused when he used it then when he did Kenobi. I beleive he was actually hindered in his battle with Kenobi since, beating Dooku and being stated to be a 9 he would have beaten Kenobi.

Hat just shows you haven't read the novel. That one line I'll admit can be interpreted in different ways, however then you see how it didn't affect Luke, or Mace, or Maul, or Anakin, it makes since.

He pretty much showed it in the movie. However all of this opinion until it's confirmed by an official source on both sides to end this long debate since the official site does say he APPEARED to win, implying it's more than meets the eye.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I'm not using double standards. He was defintly more focused when he used it then when he did Kenobi. I beleive he was actually hindered in his battle with Kenobi since, beating Dooku and being stated to be a 9 he would have beaten Kenobi.

Hat just shows you haven't read the novel. That one line I'll admit can be interpreted in different ways, however then you see how it didn't affect Luke, or Mace, or Maul, or Anakin, it makes since.

He pretty much showed it in the movie. However all of this opinion until it's confirmed by an official source on both sides to end this long debate since the official site does say he APPEARED to win, implying it's more than meets the eye.

Your novel can't prove your ridiculous he threw the fight stance.

The site also stated Windu defeated him unlike Yoda. Confirmed. I don't have to disprove your claim you need to first prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove your claims. Dooku angered him.

Your novel can't prove your ridiculous he threw the fight stance.

The site also stated Windu defeated him unlike Yoda. Confirmed. I don't have to disprove your claim you need to first prove it.

The way he fights. He's more controlled in his battle with Dooku but with Kenobi he appears more random, more like a Juyo practioner really.

Yea it can. It supports it.

So you go with your own while ignoring the other side. Seems biased to me. It says he appeared to win, but Windu's says he beat Sidious. He did APPEAR to beat Sidious. However there is evidence that points to him throwing the fight, it makes it plausible, times match up, then the scene where Sidious allows Mace to live longer instead of ending it, more than enough evidence.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
The way he fights. He's more controlled in his battle with Dooku but with Kenobi he appears more random, more like a Juyo practioner really.

Yea it can. It supports it.

So you go with your own while ignoring the other side. Seems biased to me. It says he appeared to win, but Windu's says he beat Sidious. He did APPEAR to beat Sidious. However there is evidence that points to him throwing the fight, it makes it plausible, times match up, then the scene where Sidious allows Mace to live longer instead of ending it, more than enough evidence.

Nah.

What evidence in the film or the book says he might have tossed the fight ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He seems aggressive in both and angry in both.

Nah.

What evidence in the film or the book says he might have tossed the fight ?

You can seem aggressive and angry in both but it's how you implore it, is what makes it different.

The fact that he let Windu live when he could have killed him, killing 3 Jedi master in a matter of seconds, then there's the whole he had time to make this plan given that he knew the Jedi were coming, he had a second saber, he has already tested Anakin and told him about Darth Plagueis and how he(Sidious) learned how to save people from death, faked his weakness, it says in the novel that they were stalemates in saber combat when Mace had his amp, Mace used shatterpoint on the Dark lords fear, however he didn't have any fears it was Anakin's, Sidious was bending Mace's blade back so why not kill him then, he wanted to say Anakin, he attacked Tinn before Mace could even react, if Sidious could move as fast as he did, why not use that speed form the jump and just take out Windu, why let it drag on, and so much more.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You can seem aggressive and angry in both but it's how you implore it, is what makes it different.

The fact that he let Windu live when he could have killed him, killing 3 Jedi master in a matter of seconds, then there's the whole he had time to make this plan given that he knew the Jedi were coming, he had a second saber, he has already tested Anakin and told him about Darth Plagueis and how he(Sidious) learned how to save people from death, faked his weakness, it says in the novel that they were stalemates in saber combat when Mace had his amp, Mace used shatterpoint on the Dark lords fear, however he didn't have any fears it was Anakin's, Sidious was bending Mace's blade back so why not kill him then, he wanted to say Anakin, he attacked Tinn before Mace could even react, if Sidious could move as fast as he did, why not use that speed form the jump and just take out Windu, why let it drag on, and so much more.

That isn't proven. We see Windu defend himself. Coulda, woulda, shoulda isn't debating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you can't say rage was an issue since we see rage used in both. Again, Anakin fought with rage and was successful in one fight and unsuccessful in another.

That isn't proven. We see Windu defend himself. Coulda, woulda, shoulda isn't debating.

That would translate further into his emotional state. During his antlers with Dooku he was more focused, how're with kenobi he was defintly more out of balance and sloppy, and was going up against someone who knew his style inside and out.

After being allowed to live.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That would translate further into his emotional state. During his antlers with Dooku he was more focused, how're with kenobi he was defintly more out of balance and sloppy, and was going up against someone who knew his style inside and out.

After being allowed to live.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is your opinion but the facts are he was angry in both situations. Undeniable.
Disney site says otherwise. Windu won. 😂

Opinion backed up by facts.

Yes it says Windu appeared to win. Glad we agree. However it makes no difference as the circumstances(if taking Vaapad into account) alloud Mace to compete. He wouldn't recidve that amp ever again, against any other opponent, this would not be nearly as powerful as he was during that battle. With that Dooku was able to hold off Yoda who is greater than Mace. So this will be a tough battle that I believe the Sith can win.

Originally posted by quanchi112

That isn't proven. We see Windu defend himself. Coulda, woulda, shoulda isn't debating.

You mean kind of like how Windu Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda killed Palpatine, but Ultimately failed to do so and got killed himself.

Your double standards are just too easy to point out 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You mean kind of like how Windu Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda killed Palpatine, but Ultimately failed to do so and got killed himself.

Your double standards are just too easy to point out 😂

The context always destroys you. I bring up one on one fair fights you don't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to Anakin intervening.

Nope, Anakin intervened later after Windu already had Sidious on the floor.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda 😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Opinion backed up by facts.

Yes it says Windu appeared to win. Glad we agree. However it makes no difference as the circumstances(if taking Vaapad into account) alloud Mace to compete. He wouldn't recidve that amp ever again, against any other opponent, this would not be nearly as powerful as he was during that battle. With that Dooku was able to hold off Yoda who is greater than Mace. So this will be a tough battle that I believe the Sith can win.

The site says Windu won. Point blank it also makes note of Yoda's failure.

Yoda failed against Sidious and didn't defeat Dooku. Anakin did. 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nope, Anakin intervened later after Windu already had Sidious on the floor.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda 😂

Sheev was helpless and begged for Anakin to aid him as he needed him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Anakin hadn't intervened then he'd still be alive.
Sheev was helpless and begged for Anakin to aid him as he needed him.

Speculation.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda 😂

Anakin's intervention may have just helped delay the inevitable- Windu getting fried.

its clear that you don't pay attention to the films yuan, palpatine was clearly playing possum when he was on the ground

Originally posted by relentless1
its clear that you don't pay attention to the films yuan, palpatine was clearly playing possum when he was on the ground

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Even confirmed by Lucas himself.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Speculation.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda 😂

Anakin's intervention may have just helped delay the inevitable- Windu getting fried.

Originally posted by relentless1
its clear that you don't pay attention to the films yuan, palpatine was clearly playing possum when he was on the ground

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see he did need his help. His words also confirmed it. In the fight one on one Windu won. Deal with it, fanboy.

He never killed or Arrested Palpatine. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda.

Yoda's > Windu. Sidious's > Windu.

Deal with it Hater.