Originally posted by Darth Thor
He hadn't even started firing his Lightning before Anakin intervened.
Depends on what we consider "intervening" or w/c "intervention" we find had the most impact. Granted we each have our definitions/opinions of it. I consider the moment he stopped Windu from striking down Sids by chopping his hand off as the most relevant.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except for his face melting off you mean.Luke pretty much did the same thing when Palpy zapped him. Soon as Vader threw him into the shaft and he blew up, he sat up and looked no worse for wear.
Unless you think Luke was playing possum to trick Vader into killing Sids that is.
See (7:20 onwards)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
But yes, Sids totally played Anakin. No, he was not unhurt and was indeed at Windu's mercy til Anakin intervened.
To avoid confusion, I meant:
Luke pretty much did the same thing when Palpy zapped him (Luke). Soon as Vader threw him(Palpy) into the shaft and he(Palpy) blew up, he(Luke) sat up and looked no worse for wear.
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Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
are you kidding, he looked like he was about to faint, juices up the volts then gets up and acts all macho man follow me to the dark side like nothing happenedtotally played anakin
Only you'd be incorrect. As you might have noticed throughout this thread, there is zero proof for that stance, only speculation. I generally don't deal in speculation, let alone trying to pass it off as facts/proof.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have already explained why he feigned weakness so you just want to repeat the same drivel.Windu won. Sidious didn't. They won't ever fight again. Windu won Yoda didn't. Power does not equal formidability.
One won and one didn't. He acted under his own power. You want to ignore this and make things up while going against the rules due to your own personal bias.
Your explanation doesn't detract that Sidious was faking. The reason for him faking is irrelevant. Your explanation of anything proves my point.
Yea because Windu died, by Sidious's hand. They both won in their respective categories with one being under specific circumstances and one being able to do it with no boost. It,actually does. Someone with greater force powers is more dangerous than someone with greater lightsaber skills.
How am I making things up. He had Vaapad which boosted him to a level never seen before. That's not power he can call on at will, that's not power he can just pull out at the drop of a hat. No you just don't seem to understand these things.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2The reason he faked explains the scene and the relevance. Your theories don't make any sense whatsoever.
Your explanation doesn't detract that Sidious was faking. The reason for him faking is irrelevant. Your explanation of anything proves my point.Yea because Windu died, by Sidious's hand. They both won in their respective categories with one being under specific circumstances and one being able to do it with no boost. It,actually does. Someone with greater force powers is more dangerous than someone with greater lightsaber skills.
How am I making things up. He had Vaapad which boosted him to a level never seen before. That's not power he can call on at will, that's not power he can just pull out at the drop of a hat. No you just don't seem to understand these things.
Due to Anakin's aid. Speculation. Apparently it is since according to you that's what he did. Windu won. Deal with it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason he faked explains the scene and the relevance. Your theories don't make any sense whatsoever.Due to Anakin's aid. Speculation. Apparently it is since according to you that's what he did. Windu won. Deal with it.
The point of this is to prove Sidious wasn't weak and wasn't at Windu's mercy. Reasons for him being in that position are irrelevant as it doesn't change emfact he was faking.
That is speculation as one as powerful as Sidious can always fall back on his command of the force if a situation like that went south. Again circumstantial win, and then with a boost. Only shows Sidious is better than Windu.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2He did so to tug at Anakin's heartstrings because he needed his help. He screamed, you will die. Then ended up saying, help me to Anakin.
The point of this is to prove Sidious wasn't weak and wasn't at Windu's mercy. Reasons for him being in that position are irrelevant as it doesn't change emfact he was faking.That is speculation as one as powerful as Sidious can always fall back on his command of the force if a situation like that went south. Again circumstantial win, and then with a boost. Only shows Sidious is better than Windu.
Your opinion isn't a fact but this fight is. Windu won whereas Sidious lost. Accept his L.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He did so to tug at Anakin's heartstrings because he needed his help. He screamed, you will die. Then ended up saying, help me to Anakin.Your opinion isn't a fact but this fight is. Windu won whereas Sidious lost. Accept his L.
Really you agree he was faking. The reason doesn't matter, all that matters is he was faking.
Actaully my opinion is very well established. Sidious would never be at a Jedi's mercy. If his plan didn't go the way he wanted he had his force powers to fall back on. Again circumstances and context.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2I explained why he was faking. Even a child shoulder understand the why is always important. It's like saying Kenobi lost to Vader in a new hope and saying who cares he didn't fight back he still lost. Context always matters.
Really you agree he was faking. The reason doesn't matter, all that matters is he was faking.Actaully my opinion is very well established. Sidious would never be at a Jedi's mercy. If his plan didn't go the way he wanted he had his force powers to fall back on. Again circumstances and context.
He was. That's a fact. He isn't unbeatable and even tried fleeing from a Jedi. Coward.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except for his face melting off you mean.Luke pretty much did the same thing when Palpy zapped him. Soon as Vader threw him into the shaft and he blew up, he sat up and looked no worse for wear.
Unless you think Luke was playing possum to trick Vader into killing Sids that is.
See (7:20 onwards)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
But yes, Sids totally played Anakin. No, he was not unhurt and was indeed at Windu's mercy til Anakin intervened.
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Originally posted by Nibedicus
Depends on what we consider "intervening" or w/c "intervention" we find had the most impact. Granted we each have our definitions/opinions of it. I consider the moment he stopped Windu from striking down Sids by chopping his hand off as the most relevant.
Well you know my stance anyway. That Palpatine manipulating Anakin from before he even began firing his FL just makes that whole scene way too ambiguous to draw any definite conclusion from. Looking at it from a Movie-Only perspective that is.
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, as we have already explained the logical reason for him needing his help. He already screamed you will die before he realized that he couldn't beat Windu on his own. Palpatine's own words you will die prior to feigning weakness destroys your laughable nonsensical theories.
Well you know my stance anyway. That Palpatine manipulating Anakin from before he even began firing his FL just makes that whole scene way too ambiguous to draw any definite conclusion from. Looking at it from a Movie-Only perspective that is.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well you know my stance anyway. That Palpatine manipulating Anakin from before he even began firing his FL just makes that whole scene way too ambiguous to draw any definite conclusion from. Looking at it from a Movie-Only perspective that is.
It's actually the total opposite. Just looking at it from a movie only perspective, makes it clear Mace beat Sids
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, it's not. Not even close to the same level of proof we have of Mace beating Sids. That is clear, very clear and not ambiguous at all. What you're referring to requires speculation and inference. Please don't try and compare the two buddy.
Nah there's no Proof one way or the other.
Because Anakin was there and he Chopped Mace's arm off, so you have absolutely no way of knowing what would have happened had Anakin not done that, and had Anakin not been there. None at all.
There's more to scenes that just "whose pointing their sword at who." And there was certainly a lot more going on in that scene than what you're making out.
Palpatine was manipulating Anakin before he even started firing his Lightning. He was telepathically manipulating Anakin before the Jedi even arrived. Heck he only put himself in danger in the first place to reveal himself to Anakin.
So let's not be fanboys here pretending Mace having his sword near Sidious's throat is the only factor that mattered in that scene.
Nope, Sids wasn't communicating with him Telepathically at all, that was only in the novel. You know as well as I do, that if we use the novel, your argument gets further crushed.
The "other" stuff you say is going on, requires conjecture and SPECULATION on what it all means. No such thing is required for Mace in DIRECT combat disarming Sids. Think of it in simplistic terms and then you'll see which has more proof..... A 8 Year old would watch the movie and would clearly without any ambiguity go Mace beat Sids. It's THAT easy to see. Would he think Sids threw the fight? NOT IN THE LEAST. It's literally not probable at all he'd come to that conclusion. The MOST a 8 year old might say is... Oh Anakin helped Sids to save Padame. Doubtful, but maybe even go Palps manipulated him to do that. What he wouldn't do, and there can be no question of what is likely here, wouldn't go... Yeah Palps threw that entire fight to turn Anakin.
Stop acting like you're arguing with Quan here, you know damn well which facts are more obvious and actually facts, and which require speculation. For God's sake the producer, director and the FINAL authority said Mace overcame him. PERIOD. Stop acting like there is equal proof for both sides. You know damn well that isn't the case. That doesn't mean you're saying it's not possible. You can believe whatever you want as far as possibilities or speculation, but there's simply more proof on one side than the other
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Stop acting like there is equal proof for both sides. You know damn well that isn't the case. That doesn't mean you're saying it's not possible. You can believe whatever you want as far as possibilities or speculation, but there's simply more proof on one side than the other
Agreed.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIt has already been explained to you. You speculating and coming up with nonsense while ignoring what's on screen is hilariously biased and foolish, poser.
Not at all. It's possible. But Palpatine manipulating Anakin throughout the scene is just too big a factor to ignore. Way too big.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope, Sids wasn't communicating with him Telepathically at all, that was only in the novel. You know as well as I do, that if we use the novel, your argument gets further crushed.The "other" stuff you say is going on, requires conjecture and SPECULATION on what it all means. No such thing is required for Mace in DIRECT combat disarming Sids. Think of it in simplistic terms and then you'll see which has more proof..... A 8 Year old would watch the movie and would clearly without any ambiguity go Mace beat Sids. It's THAT easy to see. Would he think Sids threw the fight? NOT IN THE LEAST. It's literally not probable at all he'd come to that conclusion. The MOST a 8 year old might say is... Oh Anakin helped Sids to save Padame. Doubtful, but maybe even go Palps manipulated him to do that. What he wouldn't do, and there can be no question of what is likely here, wouldn't go... Yeah Palps threw that entire fight to turn Anakin.
Stop acting like you're arguing with Quan here, you know damn well which facts are more obvious and actually facts, and which require speculation. For God's sake the producer, director and the FINAL authority said Mace overcame him. PERIOD. Stop acting like there is equal proof for both sides. You know damn well that isn't the case. That doesn't mean you're saying it's not possible. You can believe whatever you want as far as possibilities or speculation, but there's simply more proof on one side than the other
youre a lying sack of shit, palpatine was most certainly manipulating anakin telepathically, the words that were said in front of anakin were different than the ones said in awakens head when he was in the council chamber. You know that there is just as much proof for Sidiuos diving for Mace as there is for Mace fairly beating Sidious youre just too pigheaded to admit it. all the evidence in the film, right there on screen suggests that Sidious planned this in order to test anakin and make him choose his side.