Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
HoT had been a Jedi for only about a year by that point. Warren and Leeha had been around much longer. The Council had plenty of time to promote them. If they were offered the promotion and turned it down, that's one thing. But there's nothing that indicates that.
It is unclear when Hero of Tython joined the Jedi Order but he was a padawan prior to his arrival on Tython (the "starting point" of his story in SWTOR). Therefore, he had been a Jedi for much longer duration by that point.
One of the strongest padawans the Jedi have seen for generations races into peril when a surprise attack by savage native warriors nearly devastates the Order on Tython. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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Leeha Narezz was also young. No?
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Yes, Warren Sedoru had been around for much longer period but he suffered a setback from several near-death experiences in battles of the Great Galactic War and felt that his connection to the Force had waned as a consequence. Due to this, he volunteered to be retrained in the ways of the Jedi and Tol Braga took the responsibility of fixing his issues. Therefore, becoming a Jedi Master was not on the cards for him until his issues had been addressed.
Yes, I feel that Sedoru's story does not makes much sense but a lot about Star Wars does not makes much sense.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
In any case, by this point both Warren and Leeha have shown a distinct lack of combat prowess. Warren admits to HoT that he can't keep up with simple battle droids anymore. On Hoth, Leeha gets beaten by turrets. Turrets. Not even droids. She has to depend on HoT to get out of that situation. She may have "never known failure" in the sense that she hasn't gotten killed, but she only succeeded in that particular mission by the skin of her teeth, and only because she relied on the merits of a more powerful Jedi.
To be honest, I also felt (during my gameplay session) that Sedoru and Narezz had been poorly depicted in Balmorra and Hoth respectively. This is in total contradiction to their reputation in the lore as elite Jedi warriors. However, we need to keep in mind that the game itself lacks in realism. Balmorra and Hoth had been turned into battlegrounds between the Republic and Sith Empire (for years) and it is likely that Sedoru and Narezz had been posted there for a prolonged time and could have been strained from stresses of combat. Therefore, it makes sense for the Jedi Order to dispatch Hero of Tython to assist them in story.
Regardless, I blame authors for poor story-telling.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
They also really didn't have much time to say anything. Vitiate's response to Braga was a quick evil villain rant and then BOOM! Lightning storm! It was an idiotic plan to begin with, but Vitiate didn't even give them time to implement it.
Vitiate granted the Jedi sufficient time to express their intent. Though only Tol Braga and Hero of Tython conversed with him.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
It doesn't matter how many times Braga or any other source say they are among the best in the Order: nothing we've seen them do actually justifies those accolades. Unless you want us to assume they have some vast well of Force-potential and fencing techniques, and that we should ascribe to them every possible Force power that they could theoretically have but just never bother to use, then we'll work with what we actually see. And from what we actually see, they're average, at best.
I understand your point of view but is it wise to restrict our judgment to limited portrayal of Sedoru and Narezz?
Sometimes well-known characters have bad days (e.g. Count Dooku captured by pirates) or are can be poorly portrayed in a game (e.g. Marka Ragnos in Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy).
If we evaluate Marka Ragnos on the basis of his depiction in Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy (only), we will get the impression that he sucks or is average. However, Marka Ragnos is officially among the most powerful Sith in galactic history and ruled the Empire for 100 years.
We should be fair and balanced in our judgments, my friend. Don't you agree?
Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
That all speaks well for Braga and HoT, but it doesn't change the fact that Warren and Leeha still have not shown anything beyond what an average Jedi Knight could accomplish.
See above
Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
Only insofar as any hypothesis is technically speculation.We know Dooku is capable of dealing with as many as four Jedi comfortably. His entire fighting style in that situation revolves around maneuvering so that only one opponent can come at him at a time. Of these three, the actual evidence strongly suggests that only Braga would be able to keep up with him for any appreciable time.
4 Jedi at a time? Any event that I am missing?
While your point is interesting, I don't see how Dooku can prevent each Jedi in the Strike Team from attacking him while contending with one of them.
If Braga occupies Dooku, the other two Jedi would logically get the opportunity to use their Force powers against Dooku to disorient him.
Of-course, we can only speculate about this hypothetical contest. However, it stands to reason that 3 powerful Jedi can overwhelm Dooku in a confrontation.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzz
It shall also be kept in mind that other boss-level opponents for HoT include: battle droids, pirates, wampas, and non-Force-sensitive Imperials. Would all of those actually be legit threats to a Jedi of HoT's caliber? If so, then what does it say about the quality of the Jedi when any two-bit Imp could be considered a "boss-level opponent?" Or is it just a game mechanic to keep the game interesting and not actually indicative of the skills those opponents actually possess?
While I understand that some characters are boss-level for the sake of increasing the difficulty of the game and make it interesting, but it isn't difficult to identity true bosses in a game since the in-game
lore hypes them and highlight them as major threats.
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B/W This have been a good debating experience. I hope that KMC gets more debaters like you.