Originally posted by SunRazer
The Hero trains for an unspecified amount of time between Act II/Act III under Vitiate's influence. Also, HoT's feats are just better in Act III. His Dark Temple run, for instance.
Act II Hero is still quite above the Barsen'thor. Sun, even you admitted that the latter could compare to Maul and have a close minority of wins. Act II Hero is a ****ing beast who's easily the best and most powerful Jedi combatant in the Order. If Scourge could stalemate the Hero, he's very comparable to Maul, especially since he'd be in fact greater than he was against the Hero since he'd be able to feed off of Maul's rage.
Scourge is getting sold short. He was already a saber prodigy in Revan in the academy who scared the shit out of his instructors and a high-end master of multiple forms since he was a Juyo master. He also outran automated speederfire, which was programmed to target and fire at incredible speeds and undoubtedly at highly fast targets and move faster than patrol droids could react. Add into that, that Nyriss and Revan both state that Scourge still possesses immense untapped potential and Scourge would be significantly greater as of Swtor. And his saber skills would be similarly immensely improved over the 300 year period he was the Emperor's assassin. If Scourge was already a master of 3 lightsaber forms in Revan in his, what, dozen years of training, then he'd be immeasurably improved by the game. He'd have plenty of time to polish his saber skills to perfection and obviously has the inclination. And the opportunity to test them with his over 1000 Sith kills and 100 Jedi kills. Scourge has the experience to analyse and pick apart Mauls technique. Considering Maul's kind of a dumb ass who is constantly screwing up with his arrogance and personal issues, Scourge obviously has the tactical edge.
Furthermore, TCW Maul was a veritable wellspring of anger. He was snarling like a ****ing lunatic at points. With Scourge's unique ability to draw off the rage of his opponent's, he'd receive a considerable boost from someone like Maul. Add into that that Scourge is also an immensely powerful Force User in his own right and that he's receiving a biochemical amp and an amp from Vitiate and Scourge has a shitton of cards stacked in his favor.
Scourge also has heavy armor and a shield generator. Even if Maul manages to get through Scourge's own immense power, I doubt his TK would actually do anything. He'd need to overcome Scourge's barrier and his shield generator and still TK Scourge hard enough to affect him through the armor. Bare in mind that even Malgus as of Deceived had armor capable of repelling direct lightsaber attacks and in Hope his armor survives the thermal deternator and Satele Kamehameha combo that defeats him. Scourge, as the Emperor's Wrath, would surely have the finest equipment he wanted. Obviously, these factors also help him in a lightsaber duel and are yet another advantage Scourge has over Maul.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Act II Hero is still quite above the Barsen'thor. Sun, even you admitted that the latter could compare to Maul and have a close minority of wins. Act II Hero is a ****ing beast who's easily the best and most powerful Jedi combatant in the Order. If Scourge could stalemate the Hero, he's very comparable to Maul, especially since he'd be in fact greater than he was against the Hero since he'd be able to feed off of Maul's rage.Scourge is getting sold short. He was already a saber prodigy in Revan in the academy who scared the shit out of his instructors and a high-end master of multiple forms since he was a Juyo master. He also outran automated speederfire, which was programmed to target and fire at incredible speeds and undoubtedly at highly fast targets and move faster than patrol droids could react. Add into that, that Nyriss and Revan both state that Scourge still possesses immense untapped potential and Scourge would be significantly greater as of Swtor. And his saber skills would be similarly immensely improved over the 300 year period he was the Emperor's assassin. If Scourge was already a master of 3 lightsaber forms in Revan in his, what, dozen years of training, then he'd be immeasurably improved by the game. He'd have plenty of time to polish his saber skills to perfection and obviously has the inclination. And the opportunity to test them with his over 1000 Sith kills and 100 Jedi kills. Scourge has the experience to analyse and pick apart Mauls technique. Considering Maul's kind of a dumb ass who is constantly screwing up with his arrogance and personal issues, Scourge obviously has the tactical edge.
Furthermore, TCW Maul was a veritable wellspring of anger. He was snarling like a ****ing lunatic at points. With Scourge's unique ability to draw off the rage of his opponent's, he'd receive a considerable boost from someone like Maul. Add into that that Scourge is also an immensely powerful Force User in his own right and that he's receiving a biochemical amp and an amp from Vitiate and Scourge has a shitton of cards stacked in his favor.
Scourge also has heavy armor and a shield generator. Even if Maul manages to get through Scourge's own immense power, I doubt his TK would actually do anything. He'd need to overcome Scourge's barrier and his shield generator and still TK Scourge hard enough to affect him through the armor. Bare in mind that even Malgus as of Deceived had armor capable of repelling direct lightsaber attacks and in Hope his armor survives the thermal deternator and Satele Kamehameha combo that defeats him. Scourge, as the Emperor's Wrath, would surely have the finest equipment he wanted. Obviously, these factors also help him in a lightsaber duel and are yet another advantage Scourge has over Maul.
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Originally posted by NephthysPlease, b*tch a little more for us while I call the butthurt police for you. 😂
Scourge is getting sold short.Scourge has the experience to analyse and pick apart Mauls technique. Considering Maul's kind of a dumb ass who is constantly screwing up with his arrogance and personal issues, Scourge obviously has the tactical edge.
I'm not butthurt, it's just the truth. In one of his books he falls for the same trick twice because he's ****ing around too much. Bondara leads him over to a speeder and ignites it, almost taking him out and then at the end if the book Bondara's apprentice almost kills him by pulling the exact same trick and Maul falls for it for the exact same reason. Then obviously he gets bisected in TPM because he's screwing around with Obi-Wan. And then in TCW he has Obi-Wan at his mercy a bunch of times but doesn't follow through because of his personal vendetta. He lets Obi-Wan lead him into the cave and then he and Savage get whipped partially because he's trying to capture him. He gets killed by Vader by not finishing him and letting Vader surprise stab him.
More than any Sith I can think of, Mauls screwes up entirely due to his own twisted personality.
That was more those two using desperation tactics than Maul f*cking around, lol. And he wasn't killed either time. The TPM situation is irrelevant here because Maul isn't pissing around with Scourge. Likewise Maul has no personal vendetta against Scourge so he won't settle for capturing him. Again, Obi-Wan taking the fight into the cave was just smart thinking on his end, and also, as I'll continue to point out, Maul wasn't the one who lost an arm in that fight. As for Vader? He's just about the only person I can think of outside of true high-tiers that can afford to stab themselves in the stomach. None of this applies to Scourge in the slightest.
Another point, about all of these situations where Maul has "won" against plot-protected character but loses in the end? Maul still won the fights. Were Scourge to be put on his ass by Maul that would not only count as a valid loss, but he probably wouldn't be bailed out by plot like the likes of Vader and Kenobi. These are just tired excuses people draw on in order to avoid getting into a feat-war with Maul.. because that isn't really somewhere you want to be.
I get it. There's the overarching theme of arrogance in Maul's history. There's also an overarching theme in your debating of taking minor points and blowing them up further than your erection for Dessel's cue ball, hence why I rarely take you seriously outside of when your debating is confined to one era you're knowledgeable about. When you attempt to debate a character from another era you end up wanking one side furiously while lowballing the other, and failing to make any meaningful comparisons in the process.
With that said, Maul wins. 😮💨
That's nice. Mauls still a dumbass who makes repeated tactical blunders. You can make excuses but the fact remains that this is a factor of Mauls character, as you admit, that paints him as tactically unreliable compared to Scourge's calm and analytical nature. Obviously Scourge can't replicate those exact circumstances, but it's a factor that could come into play. Also, those two only pulled off those desperation moves because Maul was prolonging the fight.
I'm not taking a minor point and blowing it out of proportion. I made a minor point in my larger argument and then supported it when you challenged it. It's still a minor point, I just elaborated. Calm down man, don't get your jimmies in a rustle.
Also some would say Kreia can tank stabbing herself in the stomach with the cut content.
Originally posted by NephthysMm.. I dunno. "Scheming mastermind" doesn't sound like a dumbass to me.
That's nice. Mauls still a dumbass who makes repeated tactical blunders.
You can make excusesExcuses you failed to address in any way, shape or form. 👆
but the fact remains that this is a factor of Mauls character that paints him as tactically unreliable compared to Scourge's calm and analytical nature.Uh huh.. and I suppose Maul casually dictating the location of a duel with one of the most skilled swordsmen the Jedi have produced in 25,000 years and his apprentice at the same time just screams dumbass, right? How about throwing away ones lightsaber strategies and replacing them with brand new ones within the first clash of a blade? Idiot, right? How about taunting one of the most skilled defensive fighters in the mythos into fighting like a crazed animal and then kicking his ass to the curb? Clearly the mindset of a barbarian.
Let's not even get into the time Maul took a village of spear-wielding primitives and trained them into a force capable of slaughtering an army of armed soldiers within a couple of days. Or that other time Maul orchestrated the capture of the Separatist's political and military leaders using nothing other than the criminal underworld and a force of Mandalorians Maul spent all of maybe a few months in ranks with.
Also, those two only pulled off those desperation moves because Maul was prolonging the fight.😂 try reading the material before slabbering ignorance, bro. Maul was slaughtering Bondara and came within a strike of killing him before he stabbed the speeder (in fact, it was stated Maul's plan from the beginning was to tactically drive Bondara to the edge so he wouldn't have anywhere left to run - more idiotic tactics, no doubt). Darsha only lasted as long as she did because she fell into a state of extreme focus and played keep-away as best she could, not because of any tactical blunder on Maul's part.
And again, try considering the fact that all of these characters and situations mean jack shit in relation to Scourge, whose tactical track record up until this point is an accolade from you saying he's "cold and analytical"... yeah, that's nice.
Also some would say Kreia can tank stabbing herself in the stomach with the cut content.Was she back up and fighting afterwards? 😱
Also, according to both TPM and TCW Maul can as well. If anything the clone fight with Vader is an inconsistency.
Originally posted by SiniousWe've established that.
No, its coming from me.
Originally posted by AncientPower😂 😂 😂
No you certainly are not, he lacks your credibility. But this isn't really direct at you is my point. Me, Sin and Skillz are in the process of destroying one PT brigade piece of 'logic' at a time. You have nothing to worry about.
Nigga the day you form your own Star Wars hit squad is the day you lose the ability to call anyone else bitter. 😱
Originally posted by ILSNigga you have a weird way of looking at things, I'll give you that.
We've established that.😂 😂 😂Nigga the day you form your own Star Wars hit squad is the day you lose the ability to call anyone else bitter. 😱
And for a guy who likes to troll others so often, you indeed get upset way too fast. 👆