Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
DONT GOAD ME MAN I WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN!!!!??1!1!?1!1And by his very nature. I feel that Luke would direct his energies at the Abeloth in the room and vice versa, and that in general Palpatine will have more freedom to do shit. And Even if not, Palpatine is tied for strongest player on the field with Valk, imo.
There's no Abeloth here, lmfao.
Luke is stronger than Palpatine in the Force.
Re: Re: Vitiate vs Sidious vs Luke (Force Only)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWith what force attack is he one-shotting Luke and Sidious exactly?
Vitiate one-shots.Palpatine, at this level, can also one-shot with Force Storm (Wormhole) power but I doubt that he will get the opportunity to conjure it in a heated contest.
Originally posted by SunRazer
There's no Abeloth here, lmfao.Luke is stronger than Palpatine in the Force.
Yeah, there is. In principle, not in power, lmfao.
And he's probably more raw-ly powerful, but Palpatine isn't really much behind at all, and has noticeably superior mastery and destructive powers at his disposal to boot. Remember it took the latent energies of both Luke and Leia to make Palpatine lose control of his storm.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, there is. In principle, not in power, lmfao.And he's probably more raw-ly powerful, but Palpatine isn't really much behind at all, and has noticeably superior mastery and destructive powers at his disposal to boot. Remember it took the latent energies of both Luke and Leia to make Palpatine lose control of his storm.
Never mind, I read your quote wrong. Who do you reckon would be the "Abeloth" of the room, then?
Palpatine doesn't have greater mastery, and lol @ you using Luke from DE, an incarnation decades away from NJO/FotJ.
Originally posted by SunRazer
You didn't debunk anything, lol. It being re-published material doesn't make a difference. It only means that all notions initially proposed by the source are simply re-confirmed.And besides, the opening crawl which has the quote about Palpatine's supremacy wasn't from those sources. It's from the beginning of the collection itself, and it was added in April 2015. So yeah, it's a recent quote, not a re-published old one.
While the quote is latest example of Palpatine's wank in the lore, it was originally published in 2011.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My friend, is Disney supposed to change the contents of older material while re-releasing it under Legends banner? I don't think so.While the quote is latest example of Palpatine's wank in the lore, it was originally published in 2011.
What do you mean "supposed" to? They have authority over the affair. A republishing means the quotes are renewed and become the status quo - hence Palpatine's supremacy is now the status quo.
The quote itself was published in 2011?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitiate vs Sidious vs Luke (Force Only)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Force Drain powers.
Vitiate's chance of using that in combat is the same as Sidious' Force Storms being used, lol. Wait, Sidious has farted them out on a casual basis.... I don't think we can say the same for Vitiate, can we?
Originally posted by SunRazer
What do you mean "supposed" to? They have authority over the affair. A republishing means the quotes are renewed and become the status quo - hence Palpatine's supremacy is now the status quo.The quote itself was published in 2011?
Disney is just slapping the label of Legends on older EU content that it no longer regards as canon.
Valkorion.
And proof of Luke's superior mastery? Because Palpatine was already taught and brought up in seclusion by one of the 5 strongest sith in history to master the dark side, then studied the jedi's teachings as well, then presumably studied even further till ROTJ, then became even more knowledgeable at the point of DE till he was believed to have possibly mastered all known force powers and have the capability to devise new ones, and even mastered the force storm, the most powerful dark side ability ever, that could tear apart space itself.
And Lol @ Luke literally having twice as much latent energies in FOTJ. Considering Leia's latent energies were enough to make Vader think she was Luke, that's probably what it'd take to deny Palpatine supremacy.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This doesn't makes sense.Disney is just slapping the label of Legends on older EU content that it no longer regards as canon.
It's publishing it again, which means the quote of Palpatine's supremacy, even if it was from the original source (I don't believe it is), it gets renewed by the republishing. So now that quote becomes the most recent quote to document Palpatine's supremacy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitiate vs Sidious vs Luke (Force Only)
Originally posted by SunRazer
Vitiate's chance of using that in combat is the same as Sidious' Force Storms being used, lol. Wait, Sidious has farted them out on a casual basis.... I don't think we can say the same for Vitiate, can we?
Vitiate needs to conjure a Death Field of size that is enough to cover the setting or arena. I think he can manage this with ease.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion.And proof of Luke's superior mastery? Because Palpatine was already taught and brought up in seclusion by one of the 5 strongest sith in history to master the dark side, then studied the jedi's teachings as well, then presumably studied even further till ROTJ, then became even more knowledgeable at the point of DE till he was believed to have possibly mastered all known force powers and have the capability to devise new ones, and even mastered the force storm, the most powerful dark side ability ever, that could tear apart space itself.
And Lol @ Luke literally having twice as much latent energies in FOTJ. Considering Leia's latent energies were enough to make Vader think she was Luke, that's probably what it'd take to deny Palpatine supremacy.
Uh, Luke's concealed his presence from everything in the galaxy except Ben Skywalker, which made everybody else think he was dead. Luke also generated Illusions of ships that were so realistic they it actually became physical copies of the target. IIRC, he also scared Caedus by making him see a fleet of illusory ships. Pretty sure those are all superior displays of Mastery than what Palpatine's feats entail. Palpatine's raw knowledge of Force powers is probably greater, though, but not by any meaningful margin in a fight like this.
Luke learnt Fold Space, which allows him to manipulate the fabric of space as well. He also wrecked Abeloth with Mnemotherapy in Conviction.
Just because Luke doesn't have access to Force Harmony doesn't mean he's unable to make Palpatine lose control over something as delicate as a Force Storm. His Force Light will undoubtedly have effects - it's in the very nature of the power. Moreover, even if he couldn't affect Palpatine's control of the Wormhole, he can save himself via Fold Space.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitiate vs Sidious vs Luke (Force Only)
Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate never used that in combat and Sidious can cast force storms instantly but you doubt Sidious could one-shot this yet you're confident that Vitiate can?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vitiate vs Sidious vs Luke (Force Only)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't recall Darth Sidious conjuring a Force Storm (Wormhole) with a gesture or as casually. If this was the case then Sidious would have used it against Luke Skywalker.Vitiate needs to conjure a Death Field of size that is enough to cover the setting or arena. I think he can manage this with ease.
Why don't you look up my RotJ and DE Sidious respect threads and CTRL+F "Wormhole". Even as of RotJ, he was able to rend the fabric of space at will - he couldn't control it completely, but he was still able to use it upon death to transport his essence light-years.
And when Luke disarmed him in DE, Sidious was able to conjure a Force Storm immediately to devour the fleet. It was only because of their Force Harmony that Sidious lost control of the Storm.