Itachi vs Pain

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Originally posted by AuraAngel
Guy injured Sage Madara when he opened the Eighth Gate. With 7 Guy could do nothing to Madara. Hell, he failed to do much to Edo Madara with an Afternoon Tiger to the face, though he did break the imperfect Susano'o.

7 Gates could potentially overpower Shinra Tensei(though not the one used against the village) but whenever we see him use it it is basically a one and done attack. Guy has never used Afternoon Tiger in rapid succession and against a guy who can heal his dead bodies that is a bad spot to be in.

Kakashi died and Sage Naruto had to help doing as well as he did.

Sakura did more harm to Kaguya than Seven Gates Guy did to Juubidara. Does that mean she is above him? No of course not lol.

of course he wouldnt do much to an edo.....its an edo

gai would have done more damage than sakura did had he fought her. so that point is moot.

sorry but just face it man had gai been in the village things would have gone different...why do you think kishi made him lee and neji be out of the village at the time..... its because kishi knows had they been there things would have gone differently

you just love pein its ok

I vastly prefer Guy to Pain lol.

Guy didn't disintegrate him or force him to regen, which is the point. The imperfect Susano'o blocked it. The puts it below Sasuke's Kirin funnily enough.

Yep. Kishi wrote Guy out of the picture so Pains attack would go better. He also wrote that Guy and Lee would get in Naruto's way. Guy is also astonished at how much damage Pain did to the village. Keep in mind, Pain only needs one touch to kill his opponents and he can actually somewhat spam his strongest attacks, unlike 7 Gates Guy.

Why would Guy use 8 Gates against Pain or Itachi?

True. He only uses it to protect something precious. Something he'd die for.

He should have used it to just beat Juubito. Would have been helpful.

Would Deva path be able to dispel Amateratsu like Edo Nagato did? I still think Itachi would win with that aside.

Also couldn't Juubito just trap Gai in that barrier tech and nuke him?

I think he could blow the flames off, but if he hits him in the face with him, it'll probably still leave a scratch.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Would Deva path be able to dispel Amateratsu like Edo Nagato did? I still think Itachi would win with that aside.

Also couldn't Juubito just trap Gai in that barrier tech and nuke him?

Should be able to. I'm not sure how much "pain" Nagato actually feels through his puppets.

He could but Guy is just such a fast son of a ***** in 8 Gates lol. He wouldn't be able to beat Juubito alone but with Naruto/Sasuke's help he would have finished him much faster and they could have taken care of Edo Madara before he got revived.

Obito is a weird character when it comes to showings though.

gai doesnt need 8 gates against deva path 7 gates is already fast enough and strong enough to beat him... the pein bodies weakness is taijutsu and gai is the greatest taijutsu user in the world. 6 tails naruto could overpower shinra tensei i dont see why gai or afternoon tiger couldnt do the same.....kakashi almost beat deva path and naruto did beat deva path gai is capable of the same.....

now if gai fought nagato himself its possible then hed def need 8 gates

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I vastly prefer Guy to Pain lol.

Guy didn't disintegrate him or force him to regen, which is the point. The imperfect Susano'o blocked it. The puts it below Sasuke's Kirin funnily enough.

Yep. Kishi wrote Guy out of the picture so Pains attack would go better. He also wrote that Guy and Lee would get in Naruto's way. Guy is also astonished at how much damage Pain did to the village. Keep in mind, Pain only needs one touch to kill his opponents and he can actually somewhat spam his strongest attacks, unlike 7 Gates Guy.

anybody would be surprised if they left home and came back to a destroyed village.... that doesnt mean anything lol

Originally posted by yungz22
gai doesnt need 8 gates against deva path 7 gates is already fast enough and strong enough to beat him... the pein bodies weakness is taijutsu and gai is the greatest taijutsu user in the world. 6 tails naruto could overpower shinra tensei i dont see why gai or afternoon tiger couldnt do the same.....kakashi almost beat deva path and naruto did beat deva path gai is capable of the same.....

now if gai fought nagato himself its possible then hed def need 8 gates

Taijutsu is not Pain's weakness. Jiraiya's use of it couldn't beat Pain, nor Kakashi, nor Inuzuka style, nor Akimichi style, nor Naruto's taijutsu, nor Hyuga style. Only one pain is explicitly called weak to taijutsu and even that one lasted a long time. Yet you think Guy, who is Kakashi level(as per their rivalry), can defeat all the Paths lol. By the way, Kakashi did not almost beat the Deva Path. Kakashi had help and still lost to only two bodies. Naruto beat a Pain who had just performed two massively powerful techniques that greatly take a toll on his body. Before that Pain had him beat quite handily because even two bursts of Sage Mode could not give Naruto the stamina needed to beat Pain.

Pain's Shira Tensei has better showings. It wrecked an entire village while Guy's Afternoon Tiger shook an island. Pain was left without his gravity powers for a few minutes, tops, but Guy has repeatedly been shown only using Afternoon Tiger once before being too weakened to do much else(except open 8 Gates of course). One of Pain's casual Shinra Tensei was able to break every bone in Gamabunta's body and his body is a little bit bigger than Guy's. Even if I concede that Afternoon Tiger could overcome the city busting Shinra Tensei, that still leaves Chibaku Tensei which took the combined efforts of a Rasenshuriken, Itachi's Susano'o, and the Hachibi's Bijuudama to destroy(Naruto's mini-bijuudama in 6 tails couldn't). For as impressive as Afternoon Tiger is it is, after all, only concentrated air. That is why Kisame could survive it. Meanwhile, the only reason 6-Tails Naruto could take the Shinra Tensei was because he used his tails as an anchor. KCM Naruto, who is obviously above a rage induced 6 Tails, and Bee, who is the same, were both blown away by it easily later in the war.

Your argument hinges on Afternoon Tiger alone by the way. The 6th Gate is certainly nothing before Shinra Tensei and anything below is not worth mentioning. Guy has never fought a prolonged battle with 7 Gates because it absolutely destroys his body to the point where a few minutes after using his best move he is unable to stop a shark from eating him. He'd have to take out all of the Pain's in one shot and he simply will not be doing that. If only because push come to show the Animal Path will summon stuff to block the move.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Taijutsu is not Pain's weakness. Jiraiya's use of it couldn't beat Pain, nor Kakashi, nor Inuzuka style, nor Akimichi style, nor Naruto's taijutsu, nor Hyuga style. Only one pain is explicitly called weak to taijutsu and even that one lasted a long time. Yet you think Guy, who is Kakashi level(as per their rivalry), can defeat all the Paths lol. By the way, Kakashi did not almost beat the Deva Path. Kakashi had help and still lost to only two bodies. Naruto beat a Pain who had just performed two massively powerful techniques that greatly take a toll on his body. Before that Pain had him beat quite handily because even two bursts of Sage Mode could not give Naruto the stamina needed to beat Pain.

Pain's Shira Tensei has better showings. It wrecked an entire village while Guy's Afternoon Tiger shook an island. Pain was left without his gravity powers for a few minutes, tops, but Guy has repeatedly been shown only using Afternoon Tiger once before being too weakened to do much else(except open 8 Gates of course). One of Pain's casual Shinra Tensei was able to break every bone in Gamabunta's body and his body is a little bit bigger than Guy's. Even if I concede that Afternoon Tiger could overcome the city busting Shinra Tensei, that still leaves Chibaku Tensei which took the combined efforts of a Rasenshuriken, Itachi's Susano'o, and the Hachibi's Bijuudama to destroy(Naruto's mini-bijuudama in 6 tails couldn't). For as impressive as Afternoon Tiger is it is, after all, only concentrated air. That is why Kisame could survive it. Meanwhile, the only reason 6-Tails Naruto could take the Shinra Tensei was because he used his tails as an anchor. KCM Naruto, who is obviously above a rage induced 6 Tails, and Bee, who is the same, were both blown away by it easily later in the war.

Your argument hinges on Afternoon Tiger alone by the way. The 6th Gate is certainly nothing before Shinra Tensei and anything below is not worth mentioning. Guy has never fought a prolonged battle with 7 Gates because it absolutely destroys his body to the point where a few minutes after using his best move he is unable to stop a shark from eating him. He'd have to take out all of the Pain's in one shot and he simply will not be doing that. If only because push come to show the Animal Path will summon stuff to block the move.

you act like afternoon tiger is the only thing gai does in 7 gates..... he doesnt have to use that technique. in that form hes already stronger and faster than god realm. Rock Lee split a meteor with his fist in 6 gates. you dont think gai is capable of the same if not more

Pain can keep up with Sage Mode Naruto/Jiraiya, Kakashi, and Killer B. Kisame was able to react to and counter Guy with 7 Gates open. Pain should be fine with reacting to Guy though the punches should hurt some of the lesser bodies(Deva Path could take hits from Naruto without issue after all).

The Gai wank in here is crazy...

Pain could literally levitate him and flick pins at him till gai dies...

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
The Gai wank in here is crazy...

Pain could literally levitate him and flick pins at him till gai dies...


how is it wank sage naruto beat pain lol... unless yall saying sage naruto is stronger than gai.

someone madara dubbed as the strongest

Sage Mode Naruto is inferior to Pain, and unless he opens Gates 7 & 8 Gai is at a definite disadvantage against SM Naruto, even barring Rasenshuriken and Summoning.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sage Mode Naruto is inferior to Pain, and unless he opens Gates 7 & 8 Gai is at a definite disadvantage against SM Naruto, even barring Rasenshuriken and Summoning.

yea once gai uses the gates its pretty much over for pein.

nagato vs gai might be a different story tho since its all the powers in one body

Itachi already fought revitalized Nagato, and when he went Susanō stage 3 the battle ended rather quickly.

Originally posted by Astner
Itachi already fought revitalized Nagato, and when he went Susanō stage 3 the battle ended rather quickly.

itachi didnt fight him on his own

Originally posted by yungz22
itachi didnt fight him on his own

No. But all it takes is a cut with Totsuka and Nagato goes down. And I don't think Nagato can penetrate the armor of Susanō stage 3.

Originally posted by Astner
No. But all it takes is a cut with Totsuka and Nagato goes down. And I don't think Nagato can penetrate the armor of Susanō stage 3.

nagato was distracted when itachi stabbed him