Originally posted by Star428
Evolution should never be taught to our children as fact. But, as a theory only. Hopefully, the parents, if they actually care about their children will educate them about creationism and tell them how evolution is a lie.
The ideal would be to clarify how science works and explain that evolution is considered a scientific truth. Again, there'd be the advantage of people actually knowing how science work and not believing everything some scientist says.
Originally posted by Bentley
The ideal would be to clarify how science works and explain that evolution is considered a scientific truth. Again, there'd be the advantage of people actually knowing how science work and not believing everything some scientist says.
BUt, it's not considered a scientific "truth" . IT's only a theory and the propoents of it know that. The only reason they teach it is because they're horrified at the thought of the alternative to how everything came into being. Which is the actual truth.
'Only a theory' is a position of scientific ignorance. Gravity is 'only' a theory. The scientific use of 'theory' does not mean 'unsupported conjecture'- it means a well supported construct that has been confirmed through repeated testing and evidence-based observation. Virtually the entire modern world as we know it has developed from such scientific theories.
Evolution is an exceptionally highly evidence based construction (which, like all good science, is constantly undergoing change as we discover more) and there is no reasonable or rational option other than to teach it as our genuine understanding of the development of life forms, including ourselves. There is most certainly no alternative explanation that comes even remotely close to having the same amount of evidence and rational backing.
That being so, science classes should be teaching evolution and nothing else. The likes of creationism and ID belong in a religious studies class.
Originally posted by Star428
BUt, it's not considered a scientific "truth" . IT's only a theory and the propoents of it know that. The only reason they teach it is because they're horrified at the thought of the alternative to how everything came into being. Which is the actual truth.
Sorry, I made a typo there. I meant to say "proponents" of evolution.
Originally posted by Ushgaraki agree except i don't think creationism/ID have any place in any public school class... save for maybe special ed
'Only a theory' is a position of scientific ignorance. Gravity is 'only' a theory. The scientific use of 'theory' does not mean 'unsupported conjecture'- it means a well supported construct that has been confirmed through repeated testing and evidence-based observation. Virtually the entire modern world as we know it has developed from such scientific theories.Evolution is an exceptionally highly evidence based construction (which, like all good science, is constantly undergoing change as we discover more) and there is no reasonable or rational option other than to teach it as our genuine understanding of the development of life forms, including ourselves. There is most certainly no alternative explanation that comes even remotely close to having the same amount of evidence and rational backing.
That being so, science classes should be teaching evolution [b]and nothing else
. The likes of creationism and ID belong in a religious studies class. [/B]
religious studies class should be reserved for religion only, not pseudoscience.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, those people are misinformed about the role of school, but there are always many misinformed people that are active in political movements with no practical sense.
Originally posted by Star428
BUt, it's not considered a scientific "truth" . IT's only a theory and the propoents of it know that. The only reason they teach it is because they're horrified at the thought of the alternative to how everything came into being. Which is the actual truth.
Again, as Ush just posted, understanding on how science works would clear up the kind of argument you're rising here. Science is not some infallible machine of thought that goes beyond humans, it's a method. Evolution needs to be understood in the framework of that method, that's it's proper place.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but that it is such a large number and that they have had successes implementing their misinformation is what is worrying, which I believe is what you asked me.
Ok, so it's the potential numbers and the fact they have a focused direction. More of a political issue, than an ignorance one really.
Originally posted by Bentley
Ok, so it's the potential numbers and the fact they have a focused direction. More of a political issue, than an ignorance one really.
I suppose, I mean the political movement is informed by ignorance, not sure to draw a distinction so clearly is warranted. Additionally I also gave a great cultural reason.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
'Only a theory' is a position of scientific ignorance. Gravity is 'only' a theory. The scientific use of 'theory' does not mean 'unsupported conjecture'- it means a well supported construct that has been confirmed through repeated testing and evidence-based observation. Virtually the entire modern world as we know it has developed from such scientific theories.Evolution is an exceptionally highly evidence based construction (which, like all good science, is constantly undergoing change as we discover more) and there is no reasonable or rational option other than to teach it as our genuine understanding of the development of life forms, including ourselves. There is most certainly no alternative explanation that comes even remotely close to having the same amount of evidence and rational backing.
That being so, science classes should be teaching evolution [b]and nothing else
. The likes of creationism and ID belong in a religious studies class. [/B]
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Yeah, it SHOULD go without saying, but the pressure for ID to appear in science class on the spurious notion of 'balance' is quite strong in parts of the US.
In particular, I was seeing the trend in this thread about them being taught as potential equals to be evaluated, when they are not really in the same category at all.
Creationism has no business in a science class. Religion in general has no business in a science class. Then people try to be clever and switch it to "intelligent design" instead because that sounds more science-ish. It's kind of cute actually.
Go look at the article where after the Bill Nye debate on evolution creationists held up signs to the camera asking utterly retarded questions in an attempt to show evolution is wrong.
I mean one guy asked if its completely illogical for things to be created "mature". And holy shit someone brought up the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Oh and "how do you explain a sunset?" has to be my absolute favorite. I mean #10 on there is face punchingly stupid and nearly every person on there has this crazed smile on their face.
Originally posted by Surtur
Creationism has no business in a science class. Religion in general has no business in a science class. Then people try to be clever and switch it to "intelligent design" instead because that sounds more science-ish. It's kind of cute actually.Go look at the article where after the Bill Nye debate on evolution creationists held up signs to the camera asking utterly retarded questions in an attempt to show evolution is wrong.
I mean one guy asked if its completely illogical for things to be created "mature". And holy shit someone brought up the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Oh and "how do you explain a sunset?" has to be my absolute favorite. I mean #10 on there is face punchingly stupid and nearly every person on there has this crazed smile on their face.
Congratulations, you found stupid things religious people say. Everybody says stupid things, we just ignore them and move on... Or make fun of them I guess?
Fine. Let them teach their evolution BS theory in class and yes, a "theory" is all it is. Theory does not = fact I don't care what any one says. It should be made clear to the children that it's just a theory and nothing more. PERIOD. As I said earlier, if a parent truly cares about their child and his/her eternal future then they will educate them about creationism and the fact that Christ is the Son of God who died to pay for their sins and that He rose from the dead 3 days later; and that they should accept Him if they don't want to burn in Hell one day.
Star, if you don't care what anyone says then you should not really be posting on a discussion board. In any case, you do not control reality. The nature of a scientific theory- as I and other have outlined above- is objective and not down to opinion. Your obsession of 'Theory does not = fact' in this context is again just portraying a general ignorance of reality.
It should definitely be made clear to children that it is a theory. The problem is your 'and nothing more', as if a scientific theory is a weak thing. It is not- it is a very, VERY strong thing indeed, and evolution particularly so. It trumps all other explanations by a long, long way.
No amount of yelling 'PERIOD' makes your claims any less ridiculous.
If parents want to try to be even-handed in a case like this, they should teach their children that evolution is science and creationism is a religious philosophy; they should also educate their children about the difference between the two and then the children can decide about the merits of these two things as appropriate.
Personally, though, I feel what some people think is even-handed is actually just giving credence to the ridiculous, hence the issue with ID trying to go on science class.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Congratulations, you found stupid things religious people say. Everybody says stupid things, we just ignore them and move on... Or make fun of them I guess?
Well yes..yes we do make fun of people who spout silly crap like this. Don't get me wrong they are practically making fun of themselves already, but still.
Originally posted by Star428
Fine. Let them teach their evolution BS theory in class and yes, a "theory" is all it is. Theory does not = fact I don't care what any one says. It should be made clear to the children that it's just a theory and nothing more. PERIOD. As I said earlier, if a parent truly cares about their child and his/her eternal future then they will educate them about creationism and the fact that Christ is the Son of God who died to pay for their sins and that He rose from the dead 3 days later; and that they should accept Him if they don't want to burn in Hell one day.
You really aren't sure what certain words mean are you? The difference between a scientific theory and some other theories(like a conspiracy theory) has already been pointed out to you.
Though I do like how you act like evolution isn't a fact but creationism is..despite the wealth of evidence showing creationism to be bullshit.