Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's not really an army. 😬And I doubt it.
That's like saying Revan dominated the minds of all the Revanites since they were ultra-loyal to him and ready to be mutated / die for his cause of mass genocide.
It's 10,000 non-Force sensitives.
No, he controlled them in unison and drained their power to start his ritual and become a disembodied will. Kun led the Massassi himself.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Proof on 10,000? 😬Proof? And that was only accomplished by sitting on the mother of all nexus'.
Sounds like more of your Kun forgery, kek.
The old senate building is supposedly capable of holding 10,000 people and given that in images the place is filled to breaking point then logically he hypnotized 10,000 senators.
You mean the 1,000s of sacrifices that he drained to start the ritual in the first place? That is called death field. His will power was projected through the Massassi.
You mean the temples he built and completed to channel his power? yep. Also take into consideration that Exar Kun's presence on Yavin IV would have been a massive boon to the Dark Side energies sensed there by SoR.
Like I said, I want a source that says it's capable of holding that many people, since your record for accurate information is the same as my cat's expertise in Calculus. And Wookieepedia doesn't count.
I'm not following how using widespread Force Drain via a ritual is clocking in at "controlled them in unison" and "Kun led the Maasassi himself," unless you're saying he summoned them all there personally.
Originally posted by AncientPower
It's still alchemy? What's with your ridiculous limitations tbh. Oh and all the temples Revan had been using? Kun either completed or outright built via his alchemical mastery.
And nah, it seems the Temple of Sacrifice was made by Naga Sadow and his crew: " The Massassi built massive temples for Sadow where they sacrificed their own in his honor."
And like the temples, nothing suggests Kun actually built them. Every source says he ordered the Maasassi to build them based on the blueprints left behind by past ancients. 😬
Perhaps you should look for yourself:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/4292528-senate+crowd.png
The ritual did not cause the Force Drain, Exar Kun drained from thousands of his sacrifices and then the ritual itself began. You realise Naga Sadow did the same thing? Massassi Abominations are directed by the will of the Dark Lord they serve.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Perhaps you should look for yourself:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114474/4292528-senate+crowd.png
Plus, you were bluntly exaggerating with "dominated the minds of armies."
Freezing them is not really that much of a domination compared to actually getting them to do stuff.
And "armies" is obviously suggesting something more powerful than a bunch of non-Force sensitives.
And obviously he couldn't affect the minds of any of the Jedi there either so that's pretty embarrassing.
Originally posted by AncientPower
The ritual did not cause the Force Drain, Exar Kun drained from thousands of his sacrifices and then the ritual itself began. You realise Naga Sadow did the same thing? Massassi Abominations are directed by the will of the Dark Lord they serve.
Not sure what you mean by the second part since you're being incredibly vague.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LMFAO what? How is a superweapon comparable to a discussion on who can create the greatest alchemical monster. I doubt there's even a source saying Kun built that, btw.And nah, it seems the Temple of Sacrifice was made by Naga Sadow and his crew: " The Massassi built massive temples for Sadow where they sacrificed their own in his honor."
And like the temples, nothing suggests Kun actually built them. Every source says he ordered the Maasassi to build them based on the blueprints left behind by past ancients. 😬
You claimed Revan was a greater alchemist, I am proving you hopelessly wrong.
Firstly, regarding the claim Naga Sadow made the Massassi Abominations. Incorrect:
Although the Massassi pledged their loyalty to Exar Kun after he defeated the Sith wyrm, the Dark Jedi was still not satisfied. Filled with bitterness and spite, he swore to himself that he would make an example out of the warriors who had put him through his ordeal in the Temple of Fire. Furthermore, he realized that Naga Sadow had not gone far enough when he altered the Massassi. While they made excellent forest warriors, they were not prepared for the highpowered ordnance they would have to face when fighting the forces of the Republic. Exar Kun rejoiced when he discovered the giant alchemical machine that had belonged to Naga Sadow. At last, he had the means to shape his Massassi servants as he needed them, and he knew just the Massassi on whom he could experiment: Zythmnr, the priest who had ordered Kun to be sacrificed.The Sith disciple first altered Zythmnr physically, fusing the old priest's skin with metallic bioarmor and enhancing the Massassi's skeletal structure and musculature accordingly. Vicious claws became razored gauntlets, thick hide became hardened plating, and Zythmnr's head was encased in a shelled helmet. The process was excruciating for the Massassi. He not only survived, but also continued to worship Kun, willfully insisting the experiments continue.
Exar Kun was more than happy to comply. He took his next step: infusing his new warrior with the dark side using some of his own physical makeup as a template. When Zythmnr readily took to the treatment-and even showed potential with Force skills-Kun chose several more "volunteers" to continue his work. Before long, he had several dozen living weapons that exuded the raw power and energy of the dark side. Upon feeling their power firsthand, the Jedi called them "abominations." Kun would take many of these bestial servants on his quests for Sith knowledge. In a few cases, he even left a handful of his favorite warriors behind to terrorize any that might oppose him. While the Jedi believed that all of the Massassi abominations died with their people, there may yet be descendants of this hideous species stranded on some remote, forgotten world.
-Credit to ILS
The Dark Reaper was indeed created by Exar Kun:
Exar Kun had also constructed a Sith superweapon, the Dark Reaper, that was capable of drawing in the life energies of thousands of combatants. Ulic unleashed the Dark Reaper against hundreds of Republic troops on the outpost of Raxus Prime.
- The New Essential Chronology
Exar Kun was infact responsible for completing and expanding the Temples across Yavin IV:
"Kun seems to have built his primary Stronghold on this jungle moon. He enslaved the Massassi race to build all these temples as focal points for his power."
- Jedi Academy Trilogy Volume 3 - Champions of the Force
Yeah, you're using sources from decades ago. I'm using sources directly from SOR, kek.
SOR says Naga enslaved and mutated the Maasassi, and he built the temples near Revan.
So tell me, which one do you think is more credible in terms of a Revan alchemy debate?
The one from Shadow of Revan, or the one from like 1995? 🙄
Originally posted by AncientPower
You claimed Revan was a greater alchemist, I am proving you hopelessly wrong.
I still have doubts he had anything to do with the superweapon other than finding the blueprints from previous Sith since that's sort of his thing. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Looking. Where is the big 10,000?Plus, you were bluntly exaggerating with "dominated the minds of armies."
Freezing them is not really that much of a domination compared to actually getting them to do stuff.
And "armies" is obviously suggesting something more powerful than a bunch of non-Force sensitives.
And obviously he couldn't affect the minds of any of the Jedi there either so that's pretty embarrassing.
The draining is also a ritual too. 😬 He's literally strapped to a giant pyramid.
Not sure what you mean by the second part since you're being incredibly vague.
Are your eyes that bad or is visual deduction difficult for you? That is clearly thousands if not tens of thousands. Given that this is the Galactic Senate and every star system in the Republic has a representative there. I mean seriously.
Freezing that many people with a gesture and continuing to do so whilst stomping Vodo Siosk-Baas and ragdolling Sylvar is very impressive actually.
An army of non-force sensitives or a chamber filled with them is hardly relevant given that they are non-force sensitives regardless.
Your lowballing is pitiful.
No it isn't, he was prepared for the ritual and drained the power he needed to fuel the objects he was strapped to. As so:
Drained from thousands of Massassi sacrifices.. the power is rising. The ritual begun.. Sith power objects unleashed! Even as the Jedi approach, Exar Kun prepares himself to unleash his powerful spirit.. to shed the chains of his mortal body and run rampant throughout the cosmos!
- Tales of the Jedi
