Durron, Kun and TFU II Starkiller vs. Novel!Vitiate, SoR Revan and HoT (Force only)

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yeah, you're using sources from decades ago. I'm using sources directly from SOR, kek.

SOR says Naga enslaved and mutated the Maasassi, and he built the temples near Revan.

So tell me, which one do you think is more credible in terms of a Revan alchemy debate?

The one from Shadow of [b]Revan, or the one from like 1995? 🙄 [/B]

That would be relevant if any contradictions were made, but as there are none this is you grasping at straws.

Exar Kun learnt everything that Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd did and improved upon them in every way. Including the temples Sadow failed to complete, the Massassi that Kun improved upon and imbued them with Dark Side powers. Then he created the Golden Globe, trapping the spirits of thousands of Massassi children for Kun to drain from at his leisure. Yet another alchemical achievement on Kun's part.

Revan is a better alchemist how exactly?

Are your eyes that bad or is visual deduction difficult for you? That is clearly thousands if not tens of thousands. Given that this is the Galactic Senate and every star system in the Republic has a representative there. I mean seriously.

Freezing that many people with a gesture and continuing to do so whilst stomping Vodo Siosk-Baas and ragdolling Sylvar is very impressive actually.

No it isn't, he was prepared for the ritual and drained the power he needed to fuel the objects he was strapped to. As so:

And no, the quote you said doesn't contradict me. "The ritual begun" is referring to the immortality ritual. That doesn't mean he didn't do a drain ritual beforehand. 😬

If he didn't need a ritual to mass-drain all those Maasassi, he wouldn't have had to of strapped himself up in the giant pyramid before hand.

That would be relevant if any contradictions were made, but as there are none this is you grasping at straws.

CONTRADICTION A: Exar Kun alchemically twisted the Maasassi vs Naga Sadow alchemically twisting the Maasassi.
CONTRADICTION B: Exar Kun built the giant temples near Revan vs Naga Sadow built the giant temples near Revan.

To lump this in with your next sentence, nothing says that "Naga started it and Kun finished it." 😬 You're so obviously changing your argument here.

To cover myself before you managed to find some random quote that says that, SOR makes it clear Naga's temples and Maasassi were fully functional and complete.

And if Kun did improve / finish on him, he's going to be going off of the blueprints Sadow left behind for them anyway, so hardly that omgoshawesome.

Then he created the Golden Globe, trapping the spirits of thousands of Massassi children for Kun to drain from at his leisure.

Revan is a better alchemist how exactly?

Exar Kun's crew: The mini guys labeled "Feral Maasassi."
Revan's crew: The guy that is like 3 times their size. 😬

And lmfao, everyone and their mother knows I'm being trolly when saying Revan's a better alchemist overall than Kun.
I just find it hilarious that Revan potentially has a better feat than anything Kun has despite not being renowned for his alchemy skills at all.
And before you ***** again, no, I'm not considering the Dark Reaper and the Golden Globe as "alchemy" in our discussion over creatures.

NOTE: I'm well aware I spelled Maasassi wrong the whole time. I'm tired and now officially going to bed. I'll respond tomorrow.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

You're missing the point, which is this: Don't say "10,000" when you have literally no backing for it. You're simply eyeballing it. You directly said that "it is supposedly capable of holding 10,000 people," suggesting you had a source to back you up, but it ends up you were utterly bluffing and making shit up - again. You should have just said "a shit ton of people" or "hundreds to thousands."

Color me unimpressed given his intention clearly was freezing people and he couldn't freeze any Jedi. Sources directly make notice that he freezed all the senator BUT not the Jedi. And given you were trying to argue about that and his godly TP against Vitiate or whatever whatever, it is certainly relevant to the debate.

OMG, lmfao. I can't believe you're literally trying to argue that Kun's draining of the Maasassi wasn't via ritual.

And no, the quote you said doesn't contradict me. "The ritual begun" is referring to the immortality ritual. That doesn't mean he didn't do a drain ritual beforehand. 😬

If he didn't need a ritual to mass-drain all those Maasassi, he wouldn't have had to of strapped himself up in the giant pyramid before hand.

You're the textbook definition of retard at this point.

CONTRADICTION A: Exar Kun alchemically twisted the Maasassi vs Naga Sadow alchemically twisting the Maasassi.
CONTRADICTION B: Exar Kun built the giant temples near Revan vs Naga Sadow built the giant temples near Revan.

To lump this in with your next sentence, nothing says that "Naga started it and Kun finished it." 😬 You're so obviously changing your argument here.

To cover myself before you managed to find some random quote that says that, SOR makes it clear Naga's temples and Maasassi were fully functional and complete.

And if Kun did improve / finish on him, he's going to be going off of the blueprints Sadow left behind for them anyway, so hardly that omgoshawesome.

Seriously about to kill myself. This isn't "alchemy," at least not the "alchemy" everyone is discussing. 😬

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cHmQx-gvDM&t=1m40s

Exar Kun's crew: The mini guys labeled "Feral Maasassi."
Revan's crew: The guy that is like 3 times their size. 😬

And lmfao, everyone and their mother knows I'm being trolly when saying Revan's a better alchemist overall than Kun.
I just find it hilarious that Revan potentially has a better feat than anything Kun has despite not being renowned for his alchemy skills at all.
And before you ***** again, no, I'm not considering the Dark Reaper and the Golden Globe as "alchemy" in our discussion over creatures.

NOTE: I'm well aware I spelled Maasassi wrong the whole time. I'm tired and now officially going to bed. I'll respond tomorrow. [/B]

Nova once upon a time stated '10,000' but I can't find the source he referred to. More importantly however, that is easily more than ten thousand.

I couldn't care less if you are impressed. He intended to freeze the senators, which makes sense as the Jedi didn't even arrive until after he'd already done it. But hey stomping Vodo is a casual feat of course.

Stop making up this first drain ritual. He drained his sacrifices, his power rose and the ritual started where he channeled that power into his Sith objects. This is hardly unprecedented for him in terms of magnitude, mastery, or potency.

Except Kun literally says that Sadow's magic lives on through the temples and his Massassi. Kun states the powers would destroy him if he didn't master them so he does. Kun then goes on to improve and expand upon everything Sadow achieved on Yavin IV. There are an entire array of sources stating this.

You blatantly claimed that Revan could be a better alchemist than Kun. Stop dodging the point and the evidence blatantly proving you wrong. But if you are desperate enough to need to limit this to creatures then:

Battle Hydras.
Terentateks.
48 Massassi Abominations capable of using the Force.

It's also pretty hilarious that your sole source so far for Revan even creating these Massassi is Theron Shan, who knows nothing about the history of the species to begin with. All of them could just as easily be survivors of Exar Kun's experiments.

Vitiate and Kun (not sure atm, leaning Novel Vitiate)

Starkiller > Revan (in a hard fight)

Durron >> HoT

Team 1 wins.

Nova once upon a time stated '10,000' but I can't find the source he referred to. More importantly however, that is easily more than ten thousand.

https://www.google.com/search?num=30&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=911&q=10%2C000+senate+shootingnova+site%3Awww.comicvine.com&oq=10%2C000+senate+shootingnova+site%3Awww.comicvine.com&gs_l=serp.3...3160.3988.0.4108.7.7.0.0.0.0.121.405.4j1.5.0....0...1.1.64.serp..7.0.0.Jr1q-YT80oY

... Where?

He intended to freeze the senators

which makes sense as the Jedi didn't even arrive until after he'd already done it.

"With his first words, Exar Kun uttered a powerful Sith
spell, freezing the entire Senate chamber, save a few Jedi.
However, they were held in check by the Massassi
Warriors that Kun and Mandalore had brought with them."
--Star Wars: Galaxy Guide 14: The Dark Side

But hey stomping Vodo is a casual feat of course.

Master Vodo Siosk-Baas wasn't remotely "stomped" in the battle, though I do admit he stood "no chance" in defeating Exar Kun - because that wasn't his goal.

"Because I was his Master, I alone of the allied Jedi went to confront him, hoping that I could turn him back. I knew it was a foolish mission, but I had no choice. I had to try."
―Vodo Siosk-Baas (Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force)

Master Vodo-Siosk Baas's goal was to turn Exar Kun back to the light, something explicitly seen in the battle. Another source confirms this, saying Vodo Siosk-Baas did not try to defeat Exar Kun until the very end of the duel, in which Vodo had already grew weaker from defending himself. Finally, just when the Jedi Master vowed to meet his apprentice's charge, he was struck down, never allowing us to see how the battle would have then played out.

"But Master Vodo-Siosk Baas stepped onto the floor: the diminutive Jedi would stand against him. Exar Kun battled his old Master, using a doublebladed lightsaber and all the Sith tricks he had learned. He tried to lure Vodo to join his Sith cause, but the Jedi Master refused. As the fight continued, Vodo grew weaker and Kun gained strength. Finally, just as Vodo vowed that he would defeat Exar Kun, the Dark Lord struck with his lightsaber and killed his teacher."
―Star Wars: Essential Chronology

Additionally, the above quote also shows a different perspective of the battle. Exar Kun unleashed all his powers against the Jedi Master, including Sith magic and sorcery, yet Master Vodo-Siosk Baas seemingly resisted it all. Despite the Dark Lord of the Sith giving his all, and the Jedi simply defending himself, Master Baas' stand against Exar Kun shows that even when having no defense the modifications of his changing lightsaber blade, powerful combatants can hold their own.

Stop making up this first drain ritual. He drained his sacrifices, his power rose and the ritual started where he channeled that power into his Sith objects. This is hardly unprecedented for him in terms of magnitude, mastery, or potency.

Then what do you call being strapped to the giant pyramid of destiny? Just something that's casual in an everyday draining?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdtKbq3Omkw

Except Kun literally says that Sadow's magic lives on through the temples and his Massassi. Kun states the powers would destroy him if he didn't master them so he does. Kun then goes on to improve and expand upon everything Sadow achieved on Yavin IV. There are an entire array of sources stating this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM

The temples the Maasassi constructed near Revan was under the supervision of Naga Sadow. Said temples were fully completed to where rituals and sacrifices could be completed. Likewise, the mutations of the Maasassi in the area were completed by none other, once again, by Naga Sadow. You claimed the Temple of Sacrifice was probably built by Exar Kun. I laughed in your face and supplied you with codex entries pretty much directly stating otherwise. You're resorting to ancient quotes and dogma that do not have more authority over the details on Revan's temples than the actual source material itself. It's possible, and at this point rather likely, they both did the process, but once again it demonstrates Exar Kun doing nothing special and pretty much copying / using the work of other great Sith Lords for his own cause - which was a failure.

You blatantly claimed that Revan could be a better alchemist than Kun.

Stop dodging the point and the evidence blatantly proving you wrong.

But if you are desperate enough to need to limit this to creatures then:

Battle Hydras.
Terentateks.
48 Massassi Abominations capable of using the Force.

First off, kek @ "limit this to creatures." You do know what alchemy is, right?

Yeah, lol. Malaphar the Savage >. That's sort of the whole point of the discussion.

It's also pretty hilarious that your sole source so far for Revan even creating these Massassi is Theron Shan, who knows nothing about the history of the species to begin with. All of them could just as easily be survivors of Exar Kun's experiments.

Preparing my reply at this moment.

Not sure that warrants a post but OK, cool?

He wants you to know so that you don't copy Quan's infamous, "concession accepted."

BTW ignore "Despite the Dark Lord of the Sith giving his all, and the Jedi simply defending himself, Master Baas' stand against Exar Kun shows that even when having no defense the modifications of his changing lightsaber blade, powerful combatants can hold their own." That's concerning a totally different topic (I copied and pasted the post over).

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He wants you to know so that you don't copy Quan's infamous, "concession accepted."

kek true

YOLO:

Spoiler:

Concession
Accepted.

That's some cold a$$ shit, boi. And stop editing ya damn posts.

I didn't make any edits.

Someone call the DEA FDA CIA and 911

How many of the twenty edits did you catch above, kek.

Twenty? I caught Neph nudes and you putting Dooku>Revan.

KEK

Catch my edits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju4-bw3a48E