Oregon Campus Shooting

Originally posted by Star428
Again,

How many times does history have to repeat itself before people finally learn?

Again- most of that is either exaggeration, misapprehension or simply untrue.

What about the many, many, many, MANY countries that are disarmed (or even simply not as ridiculously armed as the US) and are fine? Like, say, my one?

What about the fact that the US is the ONLY western nation so insanely armed and the only one with such an insane level of gun violence?

Stop pretending that there is no other position to hold. The US is the one in the absurd (and ultimately immoral) position.

Once more- the insane gun culture in the US is doing nothing but massacring its own people. No-one is safer. Nothing is being achieved. No great right is being preserved. It's just death for no reason. It has to be challenged.

The only number on that article that's wrong is the murdering of 16 million jews. It was actually 6 million, of course. I believe the guy who wrote that article made a typo and accidentally placed the 1 in front of the 6. Still, 6 million is nothing to sneeze at.

Originally posted by Star428
The only number on that article that's wrong is the murdering of 16 million jews. It was actually 6 million, of course. I believe the guy who wrote that article made a typo. Still, 6 million is nothing to sneeze at.

maybe he was just being wishful, considering the source.

Again, that article is full of errors. First of all, the six million quote is not in Germany, but EVERYWHERE- so this is nothing to do with laws Germany passed, but countries Germany CONQUERED. They'd already crushed the armed resistance; they didn't take away the guns first (amusing as it is to see you believing that Nazi Germany asked other nations to disarm first before they invaded)

In Germany itself, as they were also firing, locking up and, eventually, annihilating the Jews with the help of ordinary people, the massacre of the Jews had nothing to do with gun legislation- and in any case, no legislation mattered because it was in the middle of the greatest war of all time and anyone could get a gun if they wanted it.

Virtually every other piece there can be dismantled too. You want me to go on?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/deaths-from-gun-violence-vs-deaths-from-terrorism-in-one-chart/ar-AAf1eOa?li=AAa0dzB

In his speech Obama asked for a tally comparing deaths from terrorism to deaths from guns. This article attempts to do just that.

Well yea, it's also a slightly misleading chart when comparing terrorism (countries where our presence is miniscule compared to stateside population).

Originally posted by Ushgarak
amusing as it is to see you believing that Nazi Germany asked other nations to disarm first before they invaded

would have made a great monty python skit.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again- most of that is either exaggeration, misapprehension or simply untrue.

What about the many, many, many, MANY countries that are disarmed (or even simply not as ridiculously armed as the US) and are fine? Like, say, my one?

What about the fact that the US is the ONLY western nation so insanely armed and the only one with such an insane level of gun violence?

Stop pretending that there is no other position to hold. The US is the one in the absurd (and ultimately immoral) position.

Once more- the insane gun culture in the US is doing nothing but massacring its own people. No-one is safer. Nothing is being achieved. No great right is being preserved. It's just death for no reason. It has to be challenged.

Originally posted by Surtur
I would really hope people wouldn't try to start a civil war over their right to own guns. If that is the case it just shows people aren't mature enough to be equipped with these weapons in the first place.

I tend to think of the "it would start a civil war" idea as a mix of chest-beating and wishful thinking from gunnuts.

Was there ever a single instance where one of those hardline gun supporters actually stopped the homicidal maniac? Since that's the main pro gun argument.

If you talk to gun supporters, it happens all the time, but they struggle to provide actual examples.

I just found some with google though.

Originally posted by Mindset
I just found some with google though.

In most cases of armed citizens intervening successfully, the people happen to be current or ex law enforcement/military. Your average gun owner probably isn't of much use, and might make things worse.

I could take out a shooter with my bare hands.

And yet you won't hear the NRA suggesting we post Mindset at every church and school. I think they're jelly.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And yet you won't hear the NRA suggesting we post Mindset at every church and school. I think they're jelly.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings

In most cases of armed citizens intervening successfully, the people happen to be current or ex law enforcement/military. Your average gun owner probably isn't of much use, and might make things worse.

Ignorance is bliss.

And Bias is Blind.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Ignorance is bliss.

And Bias is Blind. [/B]

What's the argument...I just got here and don't feel like reading 10 or so odd pages of your anti gun blathering's which usually aren't founded in real facts but liberal hypocrisy.

I do not think most individuals wish to go back and do something you could easily do, Flyattractor. If you want to get caught up in this thread, do so.