Originally posted by StoicI already proven that a human traveling at 15 times the speed of light can navigate an asteriod field. Surfer navigating an asteriod field at unknown speed is not a feat.
Would you like to ask a Mod about attempting to apply real world physics to fictional physical realms? Keep it fictional because you aren't really swaying anyone arguing this way. Besides, there are comics that show the Surfer weaving through densely packed asteroid fields like we see in movies like Star Wars. The writers aren't taking real world physics into account in most scenarios. However feel free to ask a Mod about these things.
When two characters from different companies are fighting then it's impossible to know which character is more powerful without feats. We can't use direct comparison since crossovers aren't allowed. How do you know Thor is stronger than Aquaman without the use of feats? We use math and reasoning to estimate how much force or how fast a character operated at in order to make an inference to who's stronger or faster. Otherwise, we couldn't possibly know or have a basis for debate.
Morg destroys her. He's far too powerful for the likes of a mid level herald of her caliber to win against. Believing that she wins this would also indirectly point to her defeating a very large portion of characters in both DC and Marvel that are well above her level. He's stronger, more powerful, has far faster flight speed, cosmic awareness. Anyone thinking that she's faster than a herald of Galactus would also have to accept that she is faster than Superman. There is no way that she has the power to toy with Firelord, or defeat every herald of Galactus simultaneously. He was proven to be fast enough to block laser fire. Yes he has been hit as have other heralds by weaker characters than themselves, but so has Diana.
I wonder if anyone ever takes notice that Diana never flies in with her lasso at the start of a fight. So many here, or should I say one to a couple here are fighting the battle the way that they would, but then they forget that Morg can react and isn't going to just sit there like a crash test dummy. A clash between these two would lead to Diana being overpowered very early on, and dominated, then she would be killed as easily as Nova was.
Originally posted by zopzop
Surfer, Thor, Superman, etc...Anyone answering honestly will say : no.
Yes I know. She's on the same level as Black Bolt, a solid mid herald. There is no way that she could compete with characters like Sentry. If she is high herald that would make Superman, Sentry, Thor, Hyperion, etc low-mid trans.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes I know. She's on the same level as Black Bolt, a solid mid herald. There is no way that she could compete with characters like Sentry. If she is high herald that would make Superman, Sentry, Thor, Hyperion, etc low-mid trans.
I'd say she's on the level of Captain Marvel (DC), Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, etc...
Originally posted by Stoic
So Wonder Woman is on par with the Surfer?
Wonder Woman stomped Supergirl, took on Zod and Faora on her lonesome and was winning. Took on Amazo with the aid of the JLA and was winning, defeated first born, stalemated Super Doom and carried him into space making him turn back into Superman, killed Ares, stalemated Gog while injured, defeated Mongul and a Kryptonian on her lonesome, almost over loaded Parasite. Yes, I sure as hell believe she is a High Herald.
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman stomped Supergirl, took on Zod and Faora on her lonesome and was winning. Took on Amazo with the aid of the JLA and was winning, defeated first born, stalemated Super Doom and carried him into space making him turn back into Superman, killed Ares, stalemated Gog while injured, defeated Mongul and a Kryptonian on her lonesome, almost over loaded Parasite. Yes, I sure as hell believe she is a High Herald.
But Superman could do all of that and do it much easier. Many of those characters are used to push the main characters to levels above their average. You really don't remember the crazy feats that true high heralds are capable of? Seriously, they all have their lows, and highs, but when you have high heralds hurting guys like Celestial's, Chaos King and not being blown apart by the God Bomb, rumpling Adamantium with a punch, raising questions in Galactus' mind about how another power cosmic user can rival his might, having the ability to crack the moon in half with a punch, cracking a nearly indestructible weapon like a twig, running through the entire Infinity Watch which included the Silver Surfer... etc. I mean I can go on and on about the insane levels that high heralds can achieve, but this doesn't do much to emphasize their average ranges. Wonder Woman is a very solid mid herald. Superman would take her apart like he was playing with a child the same way that Sentry took apart Terrax.
Originally posted by StoicCombat speed is different than flight speed. A character can achieve ftl speeds after seconds of acceleration. Doesn't mean they can fight very fast.
Morg destroys her. He's far too powerful for the likes of a mid level herald of her caliber to win against. Believing that she wins this would also indirectly point to her defeating a very large portion of characters in both DC and Marvel that are well above her level. He's stronger, more powerful, has far faster flight speed, cosmic awareness. Anyone thinking that she's faster than a herald of Galactus would also have to accept that she is faster than Superman. There is no way that she has the power to toy with Firelord, or defeat every herald of Galactus simultaneously. He was proven to be fast enough to block laser fire. Yes he has been hit as have other heralds by weaker characters than themselves, but so has Diana.I wonder if anyone ever takes notice that Diana never flies in with her lasso at the start of a fight. So many here, or should I say one to a couple here are fighting the battle the way that they would, but then they forget that Morg can react and isn't going to just sit there like a crash test dummy. A clash between these two would lead to Diana being overpowered very early on, and dominated, then she would be killed as easily as Nova was.
Prove that Morg can generate light speeds within a millisecond.
Originally posted by Stoic
But Superman could do all of that and do it much easier. Many of those characters are used to push the main characters to levels above their average. You really don't remember the crazy feats that true high heralds are capable of? Seriously, they all have their lows, and highs, but when you have high heralds hurting guys like Celestial's, Chaos King and not being blown apart by the God Bomb, rumpling Adamantium with a punch, raising questions in Galactus' mind about how another power cosmic user can rival his might, having the ability to crack the moon in half with a punch, cracking a nearly indestructible weapon like a twig, running through the entire Infinity Watch which included the Silver Surfer... etc. I mean I can go on and on about the insane levels that high heralds can achieve, but this doesn't do much to emphasize their average ranges. Wonder Woman is a very solid mid herald. Superman would take her apart like he was playing with a child the same way that Sentry took apart Terrax.
Superman fought Zod and Faora. Look at the scans I posted on page 5. He fought Orion. Everything I've named, he was there. Fought Mongul. Everything I've named is only showings High Heralds can perform. Hell, a lot of those showings can not be performed by a high Herald. Can you see Thor or Surfer working Zod and Faora without getting touched. Can you see him beating up on Amazo backed by the JLA? Can you see them soloing Mongul and a Kryptonian on their lonesome? Give the woman her props. She is a legit High Herald.
Originally posted by h1a8
Combat speed is different than flight speed. A character can achieve ftl speeds after seconds of acceleration. Doesn't mean they can fight very fast.
Also characters don't share feats. What Surfer has done at his best doesn't mean other heralds can do it. Otherwise we would have seen it.Prove that Morg can generate light speeds within a millisecond.
All of the heralds of Galactus were gifted with his power cosmic. Their powers are all cosmic. All of the Herald's powers differ somewhat, but at the crux they are all cosmic beings. For instance Firelord's flames are not just regular fire like the Human Torch's flame. They all have the ability to manipulate matter, and they all have the ability to move at FTL speeds. You made a claim that the Surfer could not go from zero to FTL instantly, and you were proven wrong which you now have to eat.
Let's shift gears a little. You push these limitations on the Herald's of Galactus, but what about Diana? Can she go from zero to FTL in an instant? In their first meeting Morg caught up to the Surfer and beat him into a kayoed state. PIS dictated that he did not kill the Surfer there and then, but the fact still remains that the Surfer was at his mercy. This is something that Diana isn't going to do.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Morg is mid.
Close fight, but still taking Morg.
Morg is high to low trans. If Morg is mid, what is Firelord? Low? Then what is Wonder Man? And what does this say about Firelord's run in with Thor? If Firelord was low, then Thor should have crushed him with the ease that Sentry crushed Terrax. Your statement doesn't jive with on panel evidence. A mid level Herald isn't going to beat the breaks off of the Surfer. It isn't a low showing for a character in the High herald, to low trans to lose to a high herald like the Surfer when he goes for broke. The Surfer can transcend his tier like other high heralds do. In grief over the knowledge of what came of Zenn-La, the Surfer was registering power levels so great, that Galactus couldn't fathom how another power cosmic user could rival his own might. Morg was a high herald.