Wonder Woman vs Morg...

Originally posted by Stoic

Morg is high to low trans. If Morg is mid, what is Firelord? Low? Then what is Wonder Man? And what does this say about Firelord's run in with Thor? If Firelord was low, then Thor should have crushed him with the ease that Sentry crushed Terrax. Your statement doesn't jive with on panel evidence. A mid level Herald isn't going to beat the breaks off of the Surfer. It isn't a low showing for a character in the High herald, to low trans to lose to a high herald like the Surfer when he goes for broke. The Surfer can transcend his tier like other high heralds do. In grief over the knowledge of what came of Zenn-La, the Surfer was registering power levels so great, that Galactus couldn't fathom how another power cosmic user could rival his own might. Morg was a high herald.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fought Zod and Faora. Look at the scans I posted on page 5. He fought Orion. Everything I've named, he was there. Fought Mongul. Everything I've named is only showings High Heralds can perform. Hell, a lot of those showings can not be performed by a high Herald. Can you see Thor or Surfer working Zod and Faora without getting touched. Can you see him beating up on Amazo backed by the JLA? Can you see them soloing Mongul and a Kryptonian on their lonesome? Give the woman her props. She is a legit High Herald.

Yes I can see other High Heralds doing exactly what you said that she did especially when plot dictates them to do so. The Merged hulk nearly kayoed the Abomination with a single punch, and he was only the size of a mouse when he did this. The Abomination has beaten the hell out of Savage Hulk, and only lost due to plot when the Abomination decided to follow the CIS route and turn to gloat about his superior power. These things happen. Diana is not on the Surfer's level. Black Bolt and Gladiator? Certainly.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What feats does he have that put him in high herald to low trans?

Beating Firelord like he was insignificant. Thor wasn't even able to do this in their fight. Should we turn a blind eye for Thor, but not extend the same courtesy to Morg, because we don't like him? I'll be honest, I can't stand Morg from the way that they penned him as a character, but I saw a character with the power to toy with mid Herald's easier than a legit High Herald like Thor did.

Originally posted by Stoic
Beating Firelord like he was insignificant. Thor wasn't even able to do this in their fight. Should we turn a blind eye for Thor, but not extend the same courtesy to Morg, because we don't like him? I'll be honest, I can't stand Morg from the way that they penned him as a character, but I saw a character with the power to toy with mid Herald's easier than a legit High Herald like Thor did.

Who said I don't like Morg? Turn a blind eye to what? Again where am I saying all these things you're bringing up?

What version of Morg beat Firelord? Refresh my memory because I seriously don't remember. If you have scans that would help.
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That's also a bloodblusted FL btw. Still I'm not taking anything from that showing. FL is a solid herald.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes I can see other High Heralds doing exactly what you said that she did especially when plot dictates them to do so. The Merged hulk nearly kayoed the Abomination with a single punch, and he was only the size of a mouse when he did this. The Abomination has beaten the hell out of Savage Hulk, and only lost due to plot when the Abomination decided to follow the CIS route and turn to gloat about his superior power. These things happen. Diana is not on the Surfer's level. Black Bolt and Gladiator? Certainly.

Make a thread with any of these Heralds that you named vs Zod and Faora.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol..

Who said I don't like Morg? Turn a blind eye to what? Again where am I saying all these things you're bringing up?

What version of Morg beat Firelord? Refresh my memory because I seriously don't remember. If you have scans that would help.
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That's also a bloodblusted FL btw. Still I'm not taking anything from that showing. FL is a solid herald.

Morg's continuity is riddled with inconsistencies. this is something that Zop was explaining in better detail than I did, in this very thread. Because so many people handled Morg, and Tyrant's run, they failed to follow simple continuity and wrote them much like Rulk was written. When he died, he may have still possessed the WOL, but there is no clear proof because of the hatchet job that the writers did on both Tyrant, and Morg. If the Surfer flung himself at Thanos we all know what would happen to him. Thanos would have baked him a biscuit, and force fed it to him. The same can not be said of Morg, even though their tussle was brief. Morg showed a level of strength when he tackled Thanos which had a physical effect on him. Not saying it was some killer blow, but it was greater than the Surfer's assault on Thanos who sat there and smiled at him. morg was never portrayed to be mid herald, he was always a high herald to low trans character. The OP never even said that this was Morg with just the WOL, Just the PC, or WOL and PC combined.

Morg with WOL+PC would strangle Diana. With just the PC he would win, and with the WOL alone I would give her a slight majority. The way that he toyed with Firelord should have cemented his power level long ago, because as I stated, not even Thor was able to casually defeat Kril in that manner. Look at the scans of him putting the Voorhees choke on him. That is not a mid herald brother.

Originally posted by carver9
Make a thread with any of these Heralds that you named vs Zod and Faora.

Feel free to make it. I rest on the knowledge that plot often pees on villains. Look at Rulk. Should i name a list of villain characters that started out extremely high, but then were flattened out by incompetent writers that threw away their past feats?

Count Nefaria, Zod, Doomsday, Abomination, Anti Monitor, Moses Magnum, Apocalypse, Magneto, Mongul, Perikus, Cyttorak, Juggernaut,Beyonder's, the list is too long to post. This is why it's always best to use a characters average, and not stick to their extreme highs as some basis for people to argue from. This ploy is both deceitful and it leaves out some very important facts about these characters... Namely their weaknesses.

Originally posted by Stoic
Feel free to make it. I rest on the knowledge that plot often pees on villains. Look at Rulk. Should i name a list of villain characters that started out extremely high, but then were flattened out by incompetent writers that threw away their past feats?

Count Nefaria, Zod, Doomsday, Abomination, Anti Monitor, Moses Magnum, Apocalypse, Magneto, Mongul, Perikus, Cyttorak, Juggernaut,Beyonder's, the list is too long to post. This is why it's always best to use a characters average, and not stick to their extreme highs as some basis for people to argue from. This ploy is both deceitful and it leaves out some very important facts about these characters... Namely their weaknesses.

What are you talking about? This has been consistent with her. Make a thread with the people you named vs Zod and Faora. Make a thread with a Herald vs First Born. Make a thread with a Herald vs Super Doom. Make a thread with a Herald vs Mongul and a Kryptonian. Or Amazo teamed with the JLA vs any of the Heralds you named. You bringing up plot means nothing when this has been consistently shown of her. I don't think anyone you've named would've performed on the level Diana did and that's being real. She is a legit High Herald and has proven this. Didn't see you bring up plot when you talk about Blue Marvel and Diana fts are better than his.

What tier is Blue Marvel Stoic?

Originally posted by Stoic
Beating Firelord like he was insignificant. Thor wasn't even able to do this in their fight. Should we turn a blind eye for Thor, but not extend the same courtesy to Morg, because we don't like him? I'll be honest, I can't stand Morg from the way that they penned him as a character, but I saw a character with the power to toy with mid Herald's easier than a legit High Herald like Thor did.

Originally posted by h1a8
You actually flip flopping. You said Diana wasn't a high Herald because although she has wrecked high heralds she doesn't have big feats. Well Morg doesn't either. He didn't really beat Firelord. He hit him once I think. Thor didn't land a blow. What do you think would have happened if Thor hit Firelord in the face with Mjolnir? Same as Morg right?

It was a non contest. Morg toyed with Firelord. And nice try at making it seem like I'm you. I don't argue with myself to troll battle boards. I guess that's your way of making it seem like your operating with more than a butter knife Mr. Sharp.

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? This has been consistent with her. Make a thread with the people you named vs Zod and Faora. Make a thread with a Herald vs First Born. Make a thread with a Herald vs Super Doom. Make a thread with a Herald vs Mongul and a Kryptonian. Or Amazo teamed with the JLA vs any of the Heralds you named. You bringing up plot means nothing when this has been consistently shown of her. I don't think anyone you've named would've performed on the level Diana did and that's being real. She is a legit High Herald and has proven this. Didn't see you bring up plot when you talk about Blue Marvel and Diana fts are better than his.

What tier is Blue Marvel Stoic?

It's been consistent with her, but not with them. Look at WW3 Black Adam to get a clue on what it is that I am trying to tell you. All of those characters, seemingly forgot that they had other weapons to use against him other than their faces, and behinds. Make the thread Carver, it won't change the idea that PIS happens in comics on a regular basis. How was Krona taken down during JLA/Avengers? Can't believe you aren't able to connect the dots on this.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol..

Who said I don't like Morg? Turn a blind eye to what? Again where am I saying all these things you're bringing up?

What version of Morg beat Firelord? Refresh my memory because I seriously don't remember. If you have scans that would help.
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That's also a bloodblusted FL btw. Still I'm not taking anything from that showing. FL is a solid herald.

Originally posted by zopzop
http://i.imgur.com/dPEyPTR.jpg
http://imgur.com/a/HAbuo#0
Notice what Thor says about the heat from FL's flame, Morg was completely unfazed by it.

Not just that, but when the Surfer went at Morg in full rage mode, it wasn't like he was slapping Morg through a mountain only to appear on the other side to slap in into the ground. This is something that an elite would do to a mid herald or lower. It isn't a terrible thing to be a mid herald, they are still able to challenge high heralds to an extent. Or should we go ahead, and place wonder Woman on the same level as an all out Superman, Thor, Surfer, etc when we all know that she isn't? And Carver not that Blue marvel has anything to do with anything, but up til now Blue Marvel is a High Herald. He doesn't have any low showings like getting his forearms broken from a punch. Or are you saying that the Doomsday incident was a low showing for her?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman fought Zod and Faora. Look at the scans I posted on page 5. He fought Orion. Everything I've named, he was there. Fought Mongul. Everything I've named is only showings High Heralds can perform. Hell, a lot of those showings can not be performed by a high Herald. Can you see Thor or Surfer working Zod and Faora without getting touched. Can you see him beating up on Amazo backed by the JLA? Can you see them soloing Mongul and a Kryptonian on their lonesome? Give the woman her props. She is a legit High Herald.

Pc/wol morg>wol morg>pc morg>>>WW

Originally posted by Stoic
It was a non contest. Morg toyed with Firelord. And nice try at making it seem like I'm you. I don't argue with myself to troll battle boards. I guess that's your way of making it seem like your operating with more than a butter knife Mr. Sharp.

It's been consistent with her, but not with them. Look at WW3 Black Adam to get a clue on what it is that I am trying to tell you. All of those characters, seemingly forgot that they had other weapons to use against him other than their faces, and behinds. Make the thread Carver, it won't change the idea that PIS happens in comics on a regular basis. How was Krona taken down during JLA/Avengers? Can't believe you aren't able to connect the dots on this.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not just that, but when the Surfer went at Morg in full rage mode, it wasn't like he was slapping Morg through a mountain only to appear on the other side to slap in into the ground. This is something that an elite would do to a mid herald or lower. It isn't a terrible thing to be a mid herald, they are still able to challenge high heralds to an extent. Or should we go ahead, and place wonder Woman on the same level as an all out Superman, Thor, Surfer, etc when we all know that she isn't? And Carver not that Blue marvel has anything to do with anything, but up til now Blue Marvel is a High Herald. He doesn't have any low showings like getting his forearms broken from a punch. Or are you saying that the Doomsday incident was a low showing for her?

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't toy with anyone. Why lie? Morg hit Firelord once with might. Firelord wasn't koed at all either. Imo that's a non feat. Any Herald could hit Firelord and stun him. Why do you put so much stock into that showing? Nothing from the scene impressed me. Morg did nothing spectacular. The heralds attacked him one at time mostly and they fought stupidly for the sake of the plot. Not even remotely the way they would fight in a forum.

Morg dominated Firelord. How does having the crap choked out of you constitute to you not being dominated? Firelord was as helpless against Morg, as Diana would be against him. Not only do you argue with yourself, you actually go so far as to lie to yourself to the point that you believe those lies. What makes it even more pathetic, is that you're willing to sully yourself over something as trivial as fictional comic battles. LoB, you had better get your house in order, you have termites.

They don't like like they're in the same power range in those scans from where I stand.