Originally posted by Stoic
Starfox rocking Thanos is far different than Morg, and you know that he's at a much lower level than Morg was at when he nearly killed all of those Heralds. Let's not pretend that Morg was some Mid herald when he soundly defeated the Surfer in their first meeting. You PIS happens statement can be turned around to reflect Surfer's win over Morg as you may now realize. Without the WOL and possessing only the PC, Morg was able to defeat the Surfer. I'd place very large odds on him not being a Mid level Herald as you've attempted to state.You don't know how this is up for debate? Let's not attempt to drag Morg down to her level. If you are trying to make it seem as if WW has the ability to not only take on all of those heralds, but to make them flee for their lives, present your case. Otherwise, she is clearly below him in every way that matter, besides martial ability, and it isn't as if he's defenseless.
Again you show up with a scan of the Surfer defeating Morg as if that is some low showing, but did not feel the urge to present the scan/s of Morg thoroughly defeating the Surfer. So what this still does not make then tied. Morg defeated him twice. How did that make the Surfer the champ? In other words let's give credit where it's due, and not make this appear to be about Morg suddenly becoming a bum ass scrub.
Stardust couldn't even defeat Beta Ray Bill, how is it that you believe that he would be able to complete the feats that Morg did? Are you blind or being selective over the showings that these characters have had? Diana is not in Morg's weight class. I also noticed that you completely ignored certain events that happened to Morg prior to his loss at the Surfer's hands. Morg didn't fight the Surfer in a rested state, he had it out with other Heralds before the fight.
You can feel free to favor WW in this match, but it will be very difficult to make a case for her against a character that easily defeated all of those Heralds. She has no counter for his superior strength and power level. Morg did not have to use his hands to set off omni direction blasts. Her flight speed isn't any better than his, and I would like for you to show me all of the times that many characters have failed to hit her vs the ones that have. I have rarely if ever seen Diana fighting like a DBZ character. All of this left behind looking like a statue nonsense does not work all of the time, especially not to beings capable of reacting. Morg did well against thanos, your attempts at discrediting the scene, and pretending that Morg is a Starfox level being is laughable.
(a) i never said morg was starfox. its your side who keeps bringing up thanos, as if getting some shots on him means he's unbeatable. that is simply not the case. (b) the speed thing. where in any post did i say she doesn't get hit? dbz?? wtf? that's almost like putting words in my mouth. you're better than that... but at full capacity, when she's trying to kill him, her speed WOULD be an issue, no doubt about it.
you keep bringing up that he beat the heralds, (it's practically the entire basis of your argument) but him defeating all those heralds is meaningless to THIS fight. none of them come close to fighting the way she would. what does he do when he's in the lasso? where are his speed feats? strength feats? he had a great opening showing--how many characters have done the same? who was that bruiser who appeared and ko'd hulk a couple years back? hell, one of the new zodiac guys beat the phukc out of thor. red hulk was unstoppable when he first came on the scene. you need to look at more than just his initial appearance. it was undeniable that in their definitive, 1on1 ss>morg by a good margin. and yes, i'd say the final fight was definitive and far more relevant than the previous ones. morg had been well established at that point, ss knew exactly what he was capable of and both were going full on. if you wanna view the other fights as just as important, cool. i don't though. that fight firmly ended the debate as to who was more powerful. i mentioned several "mid tier" guys i'd take over him as well, so this isn't me just saying only diana could beat him. i did lol at the idea of dragging him down to her level though. like she's so far below the high heralds.....
contrary to what you're asking, i also don't have to prove she could beat all those heralds to say she beats morg. that's just ridiculous. his style of battle just matches up well for her. what's he do when he gets eviscerated by her blade? she's more skilled by far, and would def land sword strokes. she has speed, defense, comparable strength and his durability edge would be better, but not overwhelming. i love you stoic, but you can't say just because he beat those heralds he beats her--that is abc at its finest. he is firmly a mid herald in my view (near the top of that tier for sure, but not in the class of thor, superman and ss) and this is simply a bad match up for him imo. i suspect you won;t change your view though, so i bid you a happy canadian thanksgiving and a good day. 😄