Originally posted by zopzop
You can't refute numbers, stats and 'facts' you just produce out of thin air that's why.For people that actually READ the comics in question, not just look at a scan or two posted in a Respect or Ownage thread, Morg wins. It's not an appeal to popularity. Regarding the Morg/Terrax fight, Morg was dead for days/weeks till Galactus resurrected him and he went after Terrax (and won). Regarding his second fight with Surfer, he just got through rinsing Firelord and Air Walker, then Surfer shows up itching for a fight.
People trying to lowball Morg using those two instances do so because they ignore CONTEXT.
I don't even know why I bother replying to you to be honest. Every time I read a post of yours it feels like I lose brain cells.
You do lose brain cells replying to him. He flip flops even at the risk of arguing with himself just to be contrary. Just look at the Lord Mar-Vell vs Morg thread. It's actually pretty comical.
Originally posted by zopzop
You can't refute numbers, stats and 'facts' you just produce out of thin air that's why.For people that actually READ the comics in question, not just look at a scan or two posted in a Respect or Ownage thread, Morg wins. It's not an appeal to popularity. Regarding the Morg/Terrax fight, Morg was dead for days/weeks till Galactus resurrected him and he went after Terrax (and won). Regarding his second fight with Surfer, he just got through rinsing Firelord and Air Walker, then Surfer shows up itching for a fight.
People trying to lowball Morg using those two instances do so because they ignore CONTEXT.
I don't even know why I bother replying to you to be honest. Every time I read a post of yours it feels like I lose brain cells.
You clearly don't read the comics in question, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing that people like Wonder Woman don't have the majority, since she's been shown several times to be able to wreck elite Kryptonians, who are absolutely superior to Morg.
Originally posted by zopzopI used absolutely no numbers in many of the lasts posts. Diana is multiple times faster and much more skilled. She either beats the shit out of him or she lassos him for the easy win. If you disagree then certainly she wins by the lasso everytime. If you read my posts and engage in a debate I guarantee you that you will get a lot smarter. If you don't follow my math then I'll break it down without math. Either way, you will get smarter.
You can't refute numbers, stats and 'facts' you just produce out of thin air that's why.For people that actually READ the comics in question, not just look at a scan or two posted in a Respect or Ownage thread, Morg wins. It's not an appeal to popularity. Regarding the Morg/Terrax fight, Morg was dead for days/weeks till Galactus resurrected him and he went after Terrax (and won). Regarding his second fight with Surfer, he just got through rinsing Firelord and Air Walker, then Surfer shows up itching for a fight.
People trying to lowball Morg using those two instances do so because they ignore CONTEXT.
I don't even know why I bother replying to you to be honest. Every time I read a post of yours it feels like I lose brain cells.
Originally posted by panthergod
You clearly don't read the comics in question, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing that people like Wonder Woman don't have the majority, since she's been shown several times to be able to wreck elite Kryptonians, who are absolutely superior to Morg.
Elite Kryptonians? You mean Power Girl? Super Girl? This isn't helping her chances here.
Originally posted by Stoic
Elite Kryptonians? You mean Power Girl? Super Girl? This isn't helping her chances here.
I'm referring to Zod and Ursa, though.
Superman can casually lift planets, and Zod and Ursa were his peers.
Originally posted by panthergod
Supergirl was initially arguably superior to Superman and had greater access to the Kryptonian power set before Superman learned to access more of his innate power.I'm referring to Zod and Ursa, though.
Superman can casually lift planets, and Zod and Ursa were his peers.
Morg was initially superior to the Surfer and he proved this by soundly beating the impudence out of him. General PIS then arrived on the scene and stopped him from killing him as he had him dead to rights. Morg then went on to become more powerful than the collective heralds of Galactus that existed up to that point minus Dazzler and arguably the Destroyer construct (which belongs to Odin).
Morg casually flexed, and obliterated the planet that he received the Waters of Life from, while I recall Wonder Woman, Superman, and Martian Manhunter struggling to tow a planet. How much was Diana pulling? It could have been less than 6% while Superman towed the bulk, because neither J'onn or Diana are anywhere near as strong as Superman, or should I get the scan of the sneak attack that they had to use against Superman, and they still said that they wouldn't last long against him. Orion was there, and he sucker punched Superman into a mountain if you are wondering which scene I am referring to.
Superman is the only Kryptonian that exceeds his races maximum physical stats, making him the only Elite Kryptonian in existence. Even a clone of him pales in comparison. Diana loses this. Morg is not slow, and was able to turn around as laser fire was being shot at him and he blocked it. All of this statue crap is just that... Crap.
Originally posted by StoicI don't flip flop at the risk of arguing with myself. What are you talked about? How can someone argue with themself? How is the Mar-Vell thread relevant here? Can you please stop flaming me? It's nothing wrong with changing one's mind when they discover something. Every human has done it. It's normal. Only prideful people continue to argue when they know they are wrong.
You do lose brain cells replying to him. He flip flops even at the risk of arguing with himself just to be contrary. Just look at the Lord Mar-Vell vs Morg thread. It's actually pretty comical.
Anyway, no argument by you or anyone convinced me to sway to LM winning. It was the fact that Morg got 2 shotted by energy blasts that convinced me. No one brung that up. I was the one who figured it out.
And for this thread either you accept that WW is multiple times faster than Morg in combat or you prove that she isn't by providing combat speed feats. You can't use ABC logic it is faulty. For example, Spidey has danced circles around Thor and Hulk and Firelord yet Thor, Hulk, and Firelord have fought Surfer at equal speed. But we all know that Spidey isn't faster than Surfer. Comics tend to have characters fight at the same speed for the sake of the plot. Doesn't mean Spidey is FTL.
Finally, WW can lasso Morg in several ways. She can stun him momentarily with a blow and then lasso him, she can dodge a physical attack by him and counter with a lasso tie, or she can simply lasso him before he can react by using her speed.
Originally posted by StoicSo you do the trolling lowball highball feat trick? State highest feats for Morg and lowest feats for WW and Superman as if it's facts. This is called lowballing and is against the rules. Superman has multiple feats ABOVE 50 earth weights. He is the strongest Herald character in comics. He's physically stronger than any skyfather in comics. He's just not as durable.
Morg was initially superior to the Surfer and he proved this by soundly beating the impudence out of him. General PIS then arrived on the scene and stopped him from killing him as he had him dead to rights. Morg then went on to become more powerful than the collective heralds of Galactus that existed up to that point minus Dazzler and arguably the Destroyer construct (which belongs to Odin).Morg casually flexed, and obliterated the planet that he received the Waters of Life from, while I recall Wonder Woman, Superman, and Martian Manhunter struggling to tow a planet. How much was Diana pulling? It could have been less than 6% while Superman towed the bulk, because neither J'onn or Diana are anywhere near as strong as Superman, or should I get the scan of the sneak attack that they had to use against Superman, and they still said that they wouldn't last long against him. Orion was there, and he sucker punched Superman into a mountain if you are wondering which scene I am referring to.
Superman is the only Kryptonian that exceeds his races maximum physical stats, making him the only Elite Kryptonian in existence. Even a clone of him pales in comparison. Diana loses this. Morg is not slow, and was able to turn around as laser fire was being shot at him and he blocked it. All of this statue crap is just that... Crap.
Anyway, post the scan where Morg turns around after the laser enters the air. That's called a feat. That's how we debate on kmc. Welcome.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you do the trolling lowball highball feat trick? State highest feats for Morg and lowest feats for WW and Superman as if it's facts. This is called lowballing and is against the rules. Superman has multiple feats ABOVE 50 earth weights. He is the strongest Herald character in comics. He's physically stronger than any skyfather in comics. He's just not as durable.Anyway, post the scan where Morg turns around after the laser enters the air. That's called a feat. That's how we debate on kmc. Welcome.
The scan is in this very thread. Zop posted them. It's the scene that Morg has his back turned to Gabriel while he is pummeling the life out of Firelord. Gabriel opens fire on Morg, and Morg turns around and blocks it just before tearing Gabe apart. The scan is in this very thread look it up. Also how was that a low showing for Diana? Have you ever seen her lift more than a planet on her own before? I haven't, so I just thought that I'd state the facts to show the difference in power between these two. The gap is vast. And lol @ you calling anyone out for trolling.
Originally posted by Stoiclol, that scene doesn't prove that. It just shows Morg blocking a blast. Three things are possible:
The scan is in this very thread. Zop posted them. It's the scene that Morg has his back turned to Gabriel while he is pummeling the life out of Firelord. Gabriel opens fire on Morg, and Morg turns around and blocks it just before tearing Gabe apart. The scan is in this very thread look it up. Also how was that a low showing for Diana? Have you ever seen her lift more than a planet on her own before? I haven't, so I just thought that I'd state the facts to show the difference in power between these two. The gap is vast. And lol @ you calling anyone out for trolling.
1. Morg turned around while the blast was in the air to block it. This is highly unlikely.
2. Morg turned around before the blast was fired. This is much more likely.
3. Morg was getting blasted and turned around to block the blast that was hitting him. This is the most likely.
The panel doesn't show what actually happened in between the two scenes.
I'm here to debate. This is a hobby. It keeps me sharp and allows me to use my imagination. I don't appreciate attacks. If you or anyone disagrees with my argument then provide counter evidence. If I make a claim against a character that's not true then simply refute it by providing a counter example through a feat. If Morg was shown to react to a light speed attack after it entered the air then I'll accept that he has good speed and reflexes.
And Morg didn't actually do anything there. Firelord got hit one time and was hurt. He has a glass jaw.
In one panel Morg is beating up Firelord, in the very next panel Gabriel is blasting him, but Morg is turned around and blocks the blast with his arm. Stop making things up as you go along. You're just adding things that do not exist in order to promote your statue opinion. The scan clearly shows that Morg has fast movement speed. LOL at the sharpness comment. You mean it allows you to practice deceit and duplicity in real life.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Stoic
Just let it go man. It's like talking to a wall, except the wall doesn't talk back and annoy you with made up 'facts'.
Just trying to help him realize that if you try to pull this kind of thing in real life you may get yourself in a heap of trouble. Most people are obviously able to see through these types of tactics. Most....
Originally posted by StoicI made no claims. You did. The onus is on you. I merely provided all possible things that could have occurred between the scenes. That's not making stuff up. We simply don't know what happened exactly. You can't prove that Morg react AFTER the beam entered the air. Morg could have turned around right before Gabriel blasted.
In one panel Morg is beating up Firelord, in the very next panel Gabriel is blasting him, but Morg is turned around and blocks the blast with his arm. Stop making things up as you go along. You're just adding things that do not exist in order to promote your statue opinion. The scan clearly shows that Morg has fast movement speed. LOL at the sharpness comment. You mean it allows you to practice deceit and duplicity in real life.
Originally posted by zopzopWhy troll and flame? Clearly you see Stoic saying dumb shit and you are defending him. He says that Morg reacted to and blocked a beam after it entered the air. But no where does it show this. Obviously you know this but choose to act like I'm the stupid one.
@Stoic
Just let it go man. It's like talking to a wall, except the wall doesn't talk back and annoy you with made up 'facts'.
Lastly, what proof do you have of Morgs combat speed? WW can literally lasso him before he moves an inch. If I'm wrong then provide some combat speed feats. Otherwise, Captain America and Spidey are faster in combat than Morg.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why troll and flame? Clearly you see Stoic saying dumb shit and you are defending him. He says that Morg reacted to and blocked a beam after it entered the air. But no where does it show this. Obviously you know this but choose to act like I'm the stupid one.
Like I said, talking to a wall.