8 year old girl shot by 11 year old boy

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier

wrong it means he is a jerk who needs to be dealt with. if he was 6 years old and calling names, he would be chided by the parents. 8 years old and doing what he is, he would be disciplined. 11 years old is enough to know guns make a serious mess of people but if he had continued without the gun he would be smacked by another adult for picking on a 8 year old girl. for christ sakes no one in therir right mind would say "its because he likes you" at that age

That'd be nice if true, sadly the reality is that people are much more lax when it comes to things like that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, I guess what I was trying to make the topic in the OP is for posters to talk about what issues they feel contribute to the very common gun violence in the US and what solutions they think would work.

I for my part added misogyny as one of the problems I think contribute to it, and that I think a part-solution is to not condone violent behaviour, excessively competitive behaviour, and disrespectful behaviour towards women particularly by young boys.

You can of course add your own opinions of what contributes.

misogyny is related to violence itself, guns are an instrument as wel as fists and glass and knives. you are focusing on guns a little to powerfully here but i get what you are on about.

the access to guns in this case is the problem as well as bullying/ abuse/ harrasment. gun violence more so likely due to as i have said before "access" , look at australia i am not saying we are perfect but look at our gun related deaths since the howard government put in strict gun laws

its the fact that a kid blew the brains out of a god damn little girl over a stupid "issue" that is the problem, the extremes he was willing to go to show there is a problem as well as the history of his being abusive

Originally posted by Bardock42
That'd be nice if true, sadly the reality is that people are much more lax when it comes to things like that.

amen, i get if you don't want to hurt your kids or "let boys be boys" but if that child doesnt respect that actions have consequences of **** arse around then that is bad parenting that will end in disaster

You could probably give tax incentives to people who declare that they own a gun and live with a child. That way you can both encourage breeding and gun owning while appealing to the safety sentiment of the population.

hey bentley i have a question

i was talking to an american mate who said guns are a big part of the american culture, not just because of the second ammenment but because america was founded by rebels against rule britannia and guns have made there way into the social values of the americal culture

do you believe that this is the case ?

It would surprise me if that was the case.

For me the gun culture in America thrives because the US are a prosperous country as a whole, at least when it comes to historical living standards. Some unexplainable cultural traits are set in stone because prosperity allows it, a good example would be the British royalty existing to this day after most monarchies in Europe crumbled.

i take it you are refering to prosperous as a whole element ( wealth, family, social... ect)

so maybe after the unexplainable trait has just set the socially ok idea of owning a gun(s)?
i can see that

gun related violence
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Number of Deaths 10,093

i personally think the access to guns is the problem with this incident. possibly misogyny like bardock has been claiming but i honestly thing this kid would do the same to an 8 year old boy if he also previously bullied and harrassed him like he did the girl

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34450841

It's messed up things like this happen so often. And I think this has definitely a misogynist component. The history between those two sounds exactly like what is often excused with "boys will be boys"...

"The Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit organisation that compiles data on gun violence in the US, says 559 children aged 11 or under have been killed or injured in the United States in gun violence so far this year." (http://www.gunviolencearchive.org).

559 children, and this is entirely preventable, no other first world country has this problem. Of course gun control is one of the prime target, and definitely a very valid one, but what other actual solutions do you think can be implemented to prevent this?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Or he was just a child that hadn't developed common sense yet.

Seriously dude, way over the line. It's an awful tragedy, and you trying to colour it with this kind of... I don't even know the word.

Just seems in really bad taste to me. You don't agree, fine by me.

That's too simplistic an explanation, I think.

Hey OP. at least wait till your second post before you start diminishing your own topic for the sake of self gratifying fedora-tipping..

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Hey OP. at least wait till your second post before you start diminishing your own topic for the sake of self gratifying fedora-tipping..

I suppose splitting it into two posts, one for the news, one for opinion, might have been a good idea. It's definitely not standard etiquette on this forum however.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, he was a child that has grown up in a society that doesn't respect women and sends him messages that they have to do what he wants.

Of course I don't agree, I in fact find the opposite, I find it sick of you to pretend it doesn't play a part, it's exactly like Republicans going on television to distract from gun control by blaming mental illness.

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...and heeeere we go again. Yet another pointless thread about gun control. Republicans aren't "distracting" from anything, dude. They're exactly right about mental illness playing a part in these tragedies. You won't see a sane person who isn't filled with hate going out and shooting up a school full of kids. It's democrats who keep stupidly blaming guns for those types of tragedies instead of the people who actually committ them. They're so intent on trying to convince people that guns are bad that they ignore the fact that if these "gun free" zones were allowed to at least have armed security then tragedies like those in ORegon could be prevented. Democrats are the ones doing the distracting, idiot.

I understand though that you have this unjustified hate for republicans (because they are actually true Americans;unlike demos) and are quick to blame everything on them just like most of the people on this forum do. 👆

If only the girl had a gun herself, this horrible tragedy could have been avoided.

Originally posted by Star428
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...and heeeere we go again. Yet another pointless thread about gun control. Republicans aren't "distracting" from anything, dude. They're exactly right about mental illness playing a part in these tragedies. You won't see a sane person who isn't filled with hate going out and shooting up a school full of kids. It's democrats who keep stupidly blaming guns for those types of tragedies instead of the people who actually committ them. They're so intent on trying to convince people that guns are bad that they ignore the fact that if these "gun free" zones were allowed to at least have armed security then tragedies like those in ORegon could be prevented. Democrats are the ones doing the distracting, idiot.

I understand though that you have this unjustified hate for republicans (because they are actually true Americans;unlike demos) and are quick to blame everything on them just like most of the people on this forum do. 👆

It's interesting, I get some flack for not blaming this on gun control enough on the one hand and then on the other for blaming it on gun control to much. At any rate, if you read the thread you'll notice I was talking about other contributing factors and solutions outside of controlling guns.

As for Republican politicians only caring about mental health in order to divert from discussions about gun control (it also makes a great larger point, so definitely worth a watch):

YouTube video

Shotgun should've been locked away in a gun safe. That is negligence on the shotgun owner too.

Exactly. Certain people (since I"m not allowed to say what they are anymore; starts with an "L"😉 love to shift the blame onto anyone or anything besides those who are actually responsible. They blame a gun or they blame a certain flag. LMAO.

Tragic, but did you absolutely have to bring up horseshit gender politics?

Originally posted by Star428
Exactly. Certain people (since I"m not allowed to say what they are anymore; starts with an "L"😉 love to shift the blame onto anyone or anything besides those who are actually responsible. They blame a gun or they blame a certain flag. LMAO.

Most people aren't saying guns are at fault or the actions of the person that chose to use it.

What people are doing is looking that pros and cons of gun ownership and realizing just how much a gun plays into helping spread the violence. Statistically countries with higher gun regulations have lower gun related crime and no rise in other types of crime. Studies have shown homes with guns are more dangerous to live in and are more likely to have their residents become of the victims of gun tragedy.

I mean ultimately the person is responsible but allowing easier access to guns makes their intentions much easier to perform. It's much easier to kill more people with a firearm than a knife or a rock or a bow and arrow.

So no people are not saying it's the gun's fault. They are saying is the pros of lighter gun regulation worth of the risk of higher gun violence. Which is a good topic to discuss. One I happen to lean on the side of tighter gun regulation and control.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Tragic, but did you absolutely have to bring up horseshit gender politics?

No, of course I could have pretended that it doesn't play a part, would have been more comfortable for everyone, albeit wrong.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, of course I could have pretended that it doesn't play a part, would have been more comfortable for everyone, albeit wrong.

Well, what sort of part did it play in this particular incident? And don't tell me it's because he was "calling her names" and picking on her. It's called bullying and kids do it to eachother all the time. Boys do it other boys, girls do it other girls(and quite viciously, might I add), boys do it girls and, yes, girls do it boys.

Until I see solid prove otherwise, I'll just assume this kid was just another sociopathic little shit with serious entitlement/parenting issues.