8 year old girl shot by 11 year old boy

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, what sort of part did it play in this particular incident? And don't tell me it's because he was "calling her names" and picking on her. It's called bullying and kids do it to eachother all the time. Boys do it other boys, girls do it other girls(and quite viciously, might I add), boys do it girls and, yes, girls do it boys.

Until I see solid prove otherwise, I'll just assume this kid was just another sociopathic little shit with serious entitlement/parenting issues.

Sure, you can assume what you want. I'll assume that the widespread misogyny, supported by the exact behaviour towards girls that people point out as one of outgrowth of that, played a large part.

Btw, most people who kill others, or who perform violent acts, do not suffer from mental illness, even if it is an easy and comfortable lie to tell ourselves to not address real issues.

There's still no proof misogyny has anything to do with this case.

Well, if the only proof that's accepted is an 11 year old saying "Yes, I'm a misogynist and that's why I did that" I guess we won't get it, but going by his behaviour and the way misogyny manifests in our societies it's pretty obvious.

It's not like the boy shot her because she didn't want to make him a sandwich or refused to wash his underwear. In fact, there's nothing strictly misogynist in the kid's behaviour.

He was just a run-of-the-mill bully until he got the shotgun.

A kid using a shotgun to solve a problem indicates to me that he has mental or emotional problems. A mentally healthy person would not resort to that solution. I was 11 once, and something like that would never cross my mind. I would take a look at the parenting first to see if it may have contributed to that child's issues.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
A kid using a shotgun to solve a problem indicates to me that he has mental or emotional problems. A mentally healthy person would not resort to that solution. I was 11 once, and something like that would never cross my mind. I would take a look at the parenting first to see if it may have contributed to that child's issues.

It would be great if it was only people with mental and emotional problems. Sadly the vast majority of violence is not perpetrated by people that fit the category. It's a really scary though, it's "normal" people, people like you and me that in the right circumstances do these awful inhumane things. People with mental illness on the other hand are no more likely to do such things, on the contrary they are more likely to be victims of violence.

I blame this on poor parenting more then anything else. In one of those cases the adults had loaded weapons on top of a picnic table and a kid just picked one up and fired it. Seriously wtf? This is why sterilizing people should be a legit form of punishment.

Though at this point I saw nothing to say he shot the girl because he hates women or anything like that.

Originally posted by Surtur

Though at this point I saw nothing to say he shot the girl because he hates women or anything like that.

That is obviously not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a societal misogyny that teaches boys and men to disrespect women and instills an entitlement to their time, attention, bodies, puppies, in them contributed to this happening. Like perhaps bad parenting, like most likely negligent gun ownership, like perhaps a lack of gun control, like a culture of glorifying violence, etc. etc.

It's hard to say if this wouldn't of been done had it been a boy that did what the girl apparently did.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is obviously not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a societal misogyny that teaches boys and men to disrespect women and instills an entitlement to their time, attention, bodies, puppies, in them contributed to this happening. Like perhaps bad parenting, like most likely negligent gun ownership, like perhaps a lack of gun control, like a culture of glorifying violence, etc. etc.

LMAO. So now your criticizing our culture too. You Europeans need to get the **** off your high horse. You're no better than we are.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. So now your criticizing our culture too. You Europeans need to get the **** off your high horse. You're no better than we are.

I never said Europeans are better than Americans. Definitely not in the way I've been criticising our cultures.

I think one thing that might confuse kids about misogyny is the fact it is not just perpetrated by men.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. So now your criticizing our culture too. You Europeans need to get the **** off your high horse. You're no better than we are.

I'm not saying this tragedy happened because of the reasons Bardock stated but the fact it is feasible given our culture is pretty sad.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure, you can assume what you want. I'll assume that the widespread misogyny, supported by the exact behaviour towards girls that people point out as one of outgrowth of that, played a large part.

Btw, most people who kill others, or who perform violent acts, do not suffer from mental illness, even if it is an easy and comfortable lie to tell ourselves to not address real issues.

Until the kid says something to the effect of, "That stupid girl wouldn't show me her puppy so I shot her. Girls are supposed to do what boys tell them to do!" I'll assume that it was more or less a case of garden variety bullying gone tragically wrong. And, frankly, I think my assumption will end up being the correct me. Still, we're both just assuming at this point.

I don't wish to open up the huge can of worms that mental illness can be, but I think there's a difference between crimes of passion(ex.: coming home and finding your spouse in bed with someone else) and crimes for material gain(ex.: killing someone for money and thinking you'll get away with it.) and killing someone else because they wouldn't show you their dog. In fact, some people would argue that even the first two examples are indicative of some sort of mental illness.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That is obviously not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a societal misogyny that teaches boys and men to disrespect women and instills an entitlement to their time, attention, bodies, puppies, in them contributed to this happening. Like perhaps bad parenting, like most likely negligent gun ownership, like perhaps a lack of gun control, like a culture of glorifying violence, etc. etc.

You know what society and pop culture teaches people? That women are non-expendable, that rape is an absolutely abominable crime, ladies get in the lifeboat first, etc. Hell, even the tired 'Damsel in distress' trope that's been so popular until very recently places a very high value on women's lives. This shit isn't as simple as you would like it be.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure.

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"He was making fun of her, calling her names, just being mean to her. "

Again, this is exactly the kind of stuff that happens all the time, and is often met with bullshit like "that means he likes you". Screw that, we need to teach boys that it is not alright to treat girls like that. It's not cutesy when it's just that, and it does lead to rampant violence against women.

kid has issues or isnt smart enough to know guns make bad things

Sorry Bardock, there's literally zero evidence to support your contention as of now. If it shows its head, that's fine, but you're grabbing at straws and it's just horrid premise for an argument. In fact, it's not even a premise because it is groundless.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
It's not like the boy shot her because she didn't want to make him a sandwich or refused to wash his underwear. In fact, there's nothing strictly misogynist in the kid's behaviour.

He was just a run-of-the-mill bully until he got the shotgun.

It might simply be a case of a bratty little kid with no moral compass or sense of proportion who thought it was an appropriate response to the girl withholding her puppy, but it might also be an emanation of misogyny. I don't think we should dismiss that as a possibility.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Those are stereotypical examples, but Bardock is arguing that a general male entitlement complex is what motivated this crime, and I'm inclined to acknowledge the validity of that theory.

It might simply be a case of a bratty little kid with no moral compass or sense of proportion who thought it was an appropriate response to the girl withholding her puppy, but it might also be an emanation of misogyny. I don't think we should dismiss that as a possibility.

Possible but not likely.

Is this a joke thread? That seems like poor taste but the "misogyny" angle can't be serious. I mean lol at the idea society is anti-women...

Biological women are far more protected that any other gender. I mean when was the last time you saw a group of women talking about how biological men are far more at risk of nearly all crimes including rape, how male children are far more at risk of physical abuse by mothers, fathers or literally any demographic or how men outnumbered women in suicide 4-to-1. But I guess that doesn't matter because men are privileged with those stats.