Originally posted by DarthAnt66That's better than Palpatine who has clear postural problems who looks like he should be at Bob Evans.
He looks like the Prime Minister from the Amazing Grace film.In canon? Definitely. I'm a lot more into Legends than Canon though. KotOR and SWTOR are my focus.
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At least you really like him and have the courage to represent him unlike Darth Thor who wasn't even confident in Darth Vader against Khan.
Originally posted by NaiNo, just his hands if he uses them at the right time at the right angle to deflect it. I am not saying blaster fire is more effective in all situations. I am saying blaster fire can't be deflected with the force alone but fl can.
Since I can't be bothered any longer to answer this bullshit point by point, let's sum your arguments up.[b]Force lightning vs blasters
Vader's suit is blaster resistant, which allows him to deflect blaster fire with his hand without using the Force. The same suit does not grant him any form of protection against Force Lightning. Despite of that, Force Lightning is still more powerful than a blaster shot. [/B]
I am not saying it can't kill someone I am saying it can't kill as quickly or is as powerful as a blaster shot.
Force lightning isn't deadly
Despite the fact that Darth Sidious uses the ability twice after having made the proclamation that he is going to kill people, the ability he then utilizes isn't really capable of killing people. Apparently, Sidious is some kind of moron, who doesn't know the extend of his own power - at least not better, than Quanchi does. [/B]
He was not killed by the fl but by the fall. The quote you originally had from the book even referenced the fall. We see he's clearly alive as he flies out of view. Quit being biased..
The inconvenient death of Mace Windu after being hit by a barrage of Force Lightning is attributed to his fall from the window of Sidious office. Based on, well, nothing, as the novel clearly proclaims, that he is killed by the lightning. The likewise inconvenient death of Darth Vader is also explained away by a malfunctioning of his life support system after the Force Lightning attack.[/B]
I am not saying that there can't be internal damage I'm saying there is no proof there is internal damage done and to what extent. If you believe you can pinpoint it or quantify then feel free to do so. The floor is yours. Nai doesn't need evidence.
In both cases (Vader, Mace) we are to assume that being hit by radiation (e.g. force lightning) that makes your bones shine through your skeleton won't do any kind of internal damage or might even be lethal. Because...Quanchi doesn't need reasons. [/B]
its been scientifically proven geriatrics skin is less durable and more likely to tear than a young person's skin. Quit avoiding the hard facts. He was also point blank and walked away without any significant damage just cosmetic despite his exposure. Science has already proven this.
Force Lightning doesn't do visible damage
The unfortunate transformation of Sidious' skin into a rather deformed conglomeration of flesh is explained by the idea, that - somehow - his "old" skin reacts far more massively to force lightning, than Luke's younger skin does. 🙄Quanchi knows that new skin is far better suited against external damage than older skin. This is why he wears slippers made from the skin of toddlers rather than leather boots.
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That is fine as it can wreck the ceiling but fail against the human body. Dooku is even weaker than Palpatine to make matters even worse. We see his fl hit anakin and knock him back and out but no significant damage. Sound familiar ? Wrecks the ceiling but not Anakin. Blame Star Wars not me for inconsistencies but one thing is for certain that fl isn't very deadly at all compared to blaster fire.At this point, one may point to the fact, that force lightning, being deflected by Yoda and Dooku in AotC, generates a rather huge explosion when hitting the ceiling, indicating that there is quite some amount of power involved in force lightning. But I'm certain, Quanchi will have another brilliant explanation for this. Maybe the force lightning in question did hit an oil-tank that we just didn't see byfore it exploded. 🙄
So this is Star Wars according to Quanchi, ladies and gentleman. 👆 [/B]
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, just his hands if he uses them at the right time at the right angle to deflect it. I am not saying blaster fire is more effective in all situations. I am saying blaster fire can't be deflected with the force alone but fl can.
"Dear Dark Lord of the Sith,
we have managed to produce this nice gimmick for you. It's new gloves for your armor. They are just like the rest of the armor, with the exception of the fact that, if you hold them in the way of incoming blaster fire in the exactly right angle, you can deflect it.
I don't know why we can't come up with material that is blaster resistant, no matter at what angle it's hit by the beam. Nor do I know why we would just use it for gloves instead of, I don't know, building you an entire armor of it, while we are already at it. But I think our lead theorist Quanchi could give you his ideas on the issue.
Sincere regards,
The Emperor's Armory"
Your little theory just doesn't make sense, Quanchi. There is virtually no reason for Vader not using the Force in that particular situation, because all alternative explanations require so many senseless assumptions. 🙄
I am not saying it can't kill someone I am saying it can't kill as quickly or is as powerful as a blaster shot.
And you would still be mistaken, if only because of the fact that we don't see the ability being used against "somebody" but against other Force users only, who, by virtue of the RotJ script, can all put up some instinctive defense up against it. Luke does it (said in the script that I quoted) and Mace Windu likewise did it, even when Sidious blasts him for the last time.
There is a single instance in the "Disney canon" in which the ability is used against regular people. Dooku firing it at Clone Troopers:
As you can see at 0:24, they just scream and die, despite wearing armor.
He was not killed by the fl but by the fall. The quote you originally had from the book even referenced the fall. We see he's clearly alive as he flies out of view. Quit being biased..
Oh really?
Windu stops screaming long before Sidious finally boosts him out of the window, indicating that he is, you know, rather dead, given how Luke screams when being subjected to lightning. Furthermore: Since when do Jedi get killed by falling? Anakin jumps out of a speed in AotC, falls for several seconds (indicating a 50 - 100 meter drop) and graps a second speeder flying rather fast, without even being injured.
I am not saying that there can't be internal damage I'm saying there is no proof there is internal damage done and to what extent. If you believe you can pinpoint it or quantify then feel free to do so. The floor is yours. Nai doesn't need evidence.
So force lightning is the only ability that can kill (over time) without causing damage? 👆
its been scientifically proven geriatrics skin is less durable and more likely to tear than a young person's skin. Quit avoiding the hard facts. He was also point blank and walked away without any significant damage just cosmetic despite his exposure. Science has already proven this.
His skin doesn't "tear". It transforms. So the only "hard fact" here is, that Force Lightning of sufficient power does cause damage instantly. And he "walked away", yes, being turned from a rather fit being into a disfigured old man in an instant.
That is fine as it can wreck the ceiling but fail against the human body. Dooku is even weaker than Palpatine to make matters even worse. We see his fl hit anakin and knock him back and out but no significant damage. Sound familiar ? Wrecks the ceiling but not Anakin. Blame Star Wars not me for inconsistencies but one thing is for certain that fl isn't very deadly at all compared to blaster fire.
Once more. It doesn't fail against your usual human body. It fails against Jedi who not only are more resilient to physical damage than normal humans in general as it appears: They also have something called "force defense" that can instintively protect them against Force attacks (see quote about Luke from the ROTJ script). Thus there isn't an inconsistancy: The lightning hits with enough power to damage duracrete, but other force users being hit with it do either deflect / absorb part of the energy, so they don't die instantly.
Originally posted by NaiYour attempts at insults are duly noted. Maybe in your native country you're funny but not in mine, chap.
"Dear Dark Lord of the Sith,we have managed to produce this nice gimmick for you. It's new gloves for your armor. They are just like the rest of the armor, with the exception of the fact that, if you hold them in the way of incoming blaster fire in the exactly right angle, you can deflect it.
I don't know why we can't come up with material that is blaster resistant, no matter at what angle it's hit by the beam. Nor do I know why we would just use it for gloves instead of, I don't know, building you an entire armor of it, while we are already at it. But I think our lead theorist Quanchi could give you his ideas on the issue.
Sincere regards,
The Emperor's Armory"Your little theory just doesn't make sense, Quanchi. There is virtually no reason for Vader not using the Force in that particular situation, because all alternative explanations require so many senseless assumptions. 🙄
And you would still be mistaken, if only because of the fact that we don't see the ability being used against "somebody" but against other Force users only, who, by virtue of the RotJ script, can all put up some instinctive defense up against it. Luke does it (said in the script that I quoted) and Mace Windu likewise did it, even when Sidious blasts him for the last time.
There is a single instance in the "Disney canon" in which the ability is used against regular people. Dooku firing it at Clone Troopers:
As you can see at 0:24, they just scream and die, despite wearing armor.
Oh really?
Windu stops screaming long before Sidious finally boosts him out of the window, indicating that he is, you know, rather dead, given how Luke screams when being subjected to lightning. Furthermore: Since when do Jedi get killed by falling? Anakin jumps out of a speed in AotC, falls for several seconds (indicating a 50 - 100 meter drop) and graps a second speeder flying rather fast, without even being injured.
So force lightning is the only ability that can kill (over time) without causing damage? 👆
His skin doesn't "tear". It transforms. So the only "hard fact" here is, that Force Lightning of sufficient power does cause damage instantly. And he "walked away", yes, being turned from a rather fit being into a disfigured old man in an instant.
Once more. It doesn't fail against your usual human body. It fails against Jedi who not only are more resilient to physical damage than normal humans in general as it appears: They also have something called "force defense" that can instintively protect them against Force attacks (see quote about Luke from the ROTJ script). Thus there isn't an inconsistancy: The lightning hits with enough power to damage duracrete, but other force users being hit with it do either deflect / absorb part of the energy, so they don't die instantly.
Incorrect as anything built of sturdier material especially from a sci fi/fantasy setting and it's easy to see that it's so. They have lightsabers and force abilities so quit acting like this saga is built on realism and logic. You don't have one other solid example to back your baseless claim.
In all of these instances you have multiple seconds of direct exposure which isn't the same thing as a blaster shot. Shoot someone directly in the head with a blaster and they are dead. Not so with force Lightning. You may not look as pretty but you can walk away from it Johnny on the spot.
That scene never occurred in reality. 😂 you're so desperate. Palpatine also fell and was attacking effortlessly at the end but we see he cannot do that in his battle against Yoda in rots. He cackles as he held on to the pod not effortlessly fell and landed on his feet. Again, that never occurred so don't try to be disingenuous again. You already tried to ignore the rules so there's no area you won't go to to desperately try to prove your laughable claims.
He lets out an audible sound right as Sidious launches him out the window. He also is subjected to over ten seconds of direct exposure right after his hand was cut off. Ten seconds of direct exposure after his body just lost part of his arm. 😂
I am saying we don't know to what extent since Luke suffered over ten seconds and walked away from it. Palpatine walked away from it as well despite the facial scarring and burning.
You claimed it killed Windu yet it doesn't scar him but does scar Palpatine. You make no sense. Geriatrics skin is less tensile and is easier to damage as proven even in Star Wars.
False, as Jedi are killed by blasters. Point is blaster fire is more powerful despite the hoops of idiocy you tried to take us through. Blaster fire for five seconds would leave someone if not dead in need of medical attention immediately whereas force lighting can be walked away from despite ten solid plus seconds of it.
Conclusion is that blaster fire is more powerful than fl. 💃
Originally posted by SiniousWe see it explode in a flame with no real damage done. We see it hit people for over ten seconds and Luke can walk away and probably run a 5k. Want to see clips of multiple blaster fire hitting Jedi ? 😂
never seen a blaster bolt explode on anything like that
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your attempts at insults are duly noted. Maybe in your native country you're funny but not in mine, chap.
Insults? I've merely noted that you don't make sense, Quanchi. That's not an insult, it's a fact. That this might be seen different in Quanchiland (population: one) is nothing new. Just once more, in order to get the point to you:
Standard assumption: Vader uses the Force to deflect the blaster bolts.
Your line of assumptions: The palm of Vader's gloves must be made from some blaster resistant material that allows him to deflect blaster bolts, when he can anticipate that he will be shot, to move his hands at the correct direction at the correct angle to deflect them.
The hilariously illogical parts: If somebody would have managed to insulate Vader's gloves against blaster bolts, they would have done the same thing to his entire freaking armor, since being attacked with blaster fire is the most common danger to die in a violent fashion in the SW universe.
Furthermore, after rewatching the scene: The bolts aren't even deflected, as the script claims. They simply explode in front of Vader (at his hand) with the first bolt seeming to be aimed at his head (but exploding before his body) and the last one being aimed on his chest at the left side, that also explode before reaching the Dark Lord. He is clearly using the Force to stop them.
Incorrect as anything built of sturdier material especially from a sci fi/fantasy setting and it's easy to see that it's so. They have lightsabers and force abilities so quit acting like this saga is built on realism and logic. You don't have one other solid example to back your baseless claim.
I, seriously, don't understand what you wanted to say here. If you're still referring to Vader with the last sentence: I don't have an example for him to use the Force in that fashion again, right. But the same goes for your - still rediculous - thesis, that his gloves can absorb blaster fire and the rest of his armor can't.
In all of these instances you have multiple seconds of direct exposure which isn't the same thing as a blaster shot. Shoot someone directly in the head with a blaster and they are dead. Not so with force Lightning. You may not look as pretty but you can walk away from it Johnny on the spot.
If you'd put your hand against someones head and shoot a full barrage of force lightning into that, you would probably boil his brain instantly. You seem to forget that Force lightning forms several arcs that hit the target on multiple spots rather than generating a pin point energy blast like a blaster. Focused on one point, though, force lightning would be more powerful than a blaster bolt, at least if we go by the energy discharged when it hits an object.
That scene never occurred in reality. 😂 you're so desperate.
That scene is still an accurate representation of reality in the SW universe in the sense that the people involved (i.e. Yoda having the vision / Dooku and Sidious manipulating it) are detemining what happens. So, obviously, they think that Dooku is capable of killing Clones with Force lightning, since it wouldn't happen otherwise. Going by this, we have to assume, that Dooku is in fact capable of doing that, even though he doesn't do it anywhere.
He lets out an audible sound right as Sidious launches him out the window. He also is subjected to over ten seconds of direct exposure right after his hand was cut off. Ten seconds of direct exposure after his body just lost part of his arm. 😂
Probably the last air escaping his lungs due to getting hit by a the force push that boosts him out of the window. And once again: The novel and script make clear that even after his hand was cut off, he attempts to defend himself against the lightning, but is overpowered. Thus, we would still not see its full power in effect the second it hits, because there was defense put up against it.
I am saying we don't know to what extent since Luke suffered over ten seconds and walked away from it. Palpatine walked away from it as well despite the facial scarring and burning.
He crawled away from it, actually and we don't know how much internal damage that brief lightning did cause.
You claimed it killed Windu yet it doesn't scar him but does scar Palpatine. You make no sense. Geriatrics skin is less tensile and is easier to damage as proven even in Star Wars.
Perhabs because Sidious managed to keep the damage superficial, where Windu was hit where it hurts. And drop that hilarious "geriatric skin" argument. It's absolute nonsense.
False, as Jedi are killed by blasters.
How does that even touch my argument that Jedi are more resistant to physical damage than normal people?
Point is blaster fire is more powerful despite the hoops of idiocy you tried to take us through. Blaster fire for five seconds would leave someone if not dead in need of medical attention immediately whereas force lighting can be walked away from despite ten solid plus seconds of it.
Right...
We see Luke getting hit by blaster fire - minor flesh wound.
We see Leia getting hit by blaster fire - minor flesh wound.
But we can continue the fun:
At 0:32 Ahsoka is hit by a blaster bolt and says "Ouch", apparently receiving a minor wound on the arm. Powerful stuff! At 1:03 Cad Bane has his arm hit by a blaster bolt deflected by Ahsoka: No damage visibile and it appears to be some minor inconvenience for the bounty hunter.
And you may want to have a look at this:
At 2:50, Vader deflects one of the blaster bolts right into the face of the one firing at him. Nothing happens. I could find more example like that if you need them, that clearly demonstate that blaster bolts aren't really that powerful. 😉
Conclusion is that blaster fire is more powerful than fl. 💃
Since there is no real basis to actually compare them directly, I wonder where you "concluded" that from. Force Lightning doesn't discharge all of its energy on one spot like a blaster bolt, and - in terms of power - is dependant on the actual intention and ability of its user. Furthermore the only persons we see force lightning used against in the new canon are force users, that have some resistance against the effects of the ability. Which can kill nonetheless.
Originally posted by NaiI make perfect sense while you continue to ignore the facts that Sidious' best fl attacks took around 10 seconds of concentrated firepower and we never saw anyone even bleed from it.
Insults? I've merely noted that you don't make sense, Quanchi. That's not an insult, it's a fact. That this might be seen different in Quanchiland (population: one) is nothing new. Just once more, in order to get the point to you:Standard assumption: Vader uses the Force to deflect the blaster bolts.
Your line of assumptions: The palm of Vader's gloves must be made from some blaster resistant material that allows him to deflect blaster bolts, when he can anticipate that he will be shot, to move his hands at the correct direction at the correct angle to deflect them.
The hilariously illogical parts: If somebody would have managed to insulate Vader's gloves against blaster bolts, they would have done the same thing to his entire freaking armor, since being attacked with blaster fire is the most common danger to die in a violent fashion in the SW universe.
Furthermore, after rewatching the scene: The bolts aren't even deflected, as the script claims. They simply explode in front of Vader (at his hand) with the first bolt seeming to be aimed at his head (but exploding before his body) and the last one being aimed on his chest at the left side, that also explode before reaching the Dark Lord. He is clearly using the Force to stop them.
I, seriously, don't understand what you wanted to say here. If you're still referring to Vader with the last sentence: I don't have an example for him to use the Force in that fashion again, right. But the same goes for your - still rediculous - thesis, that his gloves can absorb blaster fire and the rest of his armor can't.
If you'd put your hand against someones head and shoot a full barrage of force lightning into that, you would probably boil his brain instantly. You seem to forget that Force lightning forms several arcs that hit the target on multiple spots rather than generating a pin point energy blast like a blaster. Focused on one point, though, force lightning would be more powerful than a blaster bolt, at least if we go by the energy discharged when it hits an object.
That scene is still an accurate representation of reality in the SW universe in the sense that the people involved (i.e. Yoda having the vision / Dooku and Sidious manipulating it) are detemining what happens. So, obviously, they think that Dooku is capable of killing Clones with Force lightning, since it wouldn't happen otherwise. Going by this, we have to assume, that Dooku is in fact capable of doing that, even though he doesn't do it anywhere.
Probably the last air escaping his lungs due to getting hit by a the force push that boosts him out of the window. And once again: The novel and script make clear that even after his hand was cut off, he attempts to defend himself against the lightning, but is overpowered. Thus, we would still not see its full power in effect the second it hits, because there was defense put up against it.
He crawled away from it, actually and we don't know how much internal damage that brief lightning did cause.
Perhabs because Sidious managed to keep the damage superficial, where Windu was hit where it hurts. And drop that hilarious "geriatric skin" argument. It's absolute nonsense.
How does that even touch my argument that Jedi are more resistant to physical damage than normal people?
Right...
We see Luke getting hit by blaster fire - minor flesh wound.
We see Leia getting hit by blaster fire - minor flesh wound.But we can continue the fun:
At 0:32 Ahsoka is hit by a blaster bolt and says "Ouch", apparently receiving a minor wound on the arm. Powerful stuff! At 1:03 Cad Bane has his arm hit by a blaster bolt deflected by Ahsoka: No damage visibile and it appears to be some minor inconvenience for the bounty hunter.
And you may want to have a look at this:
At 2:50, Vader deflects one of the blaster bolts right into the face of the one firing at him. Nothing happens. I could find more example like that if you need them, that clearly demonstate that blaster bolts aren't really that powerful. 😉
Since there is no real basis to actually compare them directly, I wonder where you "concluded" that from. Force Lightning doesn't discharge all of its energy on one spot like a blaster bolt, and - in terms of power - is dependant on the actual intention and ability of its user. Furthermore the only persons we see force lightning used against in the new canon are force users, that have some resistance against the effects of the ability. Which can kill nonetheless.
False, as it's clear its his had which does so. Your own evidence further validates my position that his hands are more durable than flesh which should be common sense in any country, friend-o. I didn't say it's blaster resistant it's clearly more durable and can be used to repel blasts in the right angle at the right times. No, you're lying about the scene entirely like the force can blow up blaster fire before it reaches someone. Nowhere in the history of canon Star Wars do force users blow up blaster fire before it reaches them.
That's what occurs in this instance. If someone could use the force to as you quote blow up blaster fire before it reaches them why has this never been done before. Even Yoda has to redirect the fl sent his way. He can't blow it up prior to hitting him.
Unproven. And you're comparing the fl which has been shown to hit someone for over ten seconds without any flesh wounds or even damage of any kind once he quits hitting Luke with it. Nothing. Shoot Luke for ten seconds with blaster fire and he'd die.
No, it isn't. You tried to pull something that didn't happen. None of it did and that's what you tried to pass off as evidence. Desperate.
So now to admit he does make a sound and I caught you lying. You'd lie and have lied to prove your ridiculous case. He is without a saber of course he can't defend himself. Wtf. He is literally disarmed and in pain so who the **** thinks he's going to repel fl minus a saber and in extreme pain and duress. 😂
If there is no internal damage mentioned then you can't claim any of it. That isn't how debating works, back your claims.
Geriatric skin damage is solid science. I know you're some Star Wars nerd who believes in the force but it isn't real. Sidious was hit by his own food directly to the face. Shoot him in the face for at least four second with blaster fire and he's dead. He walked away with burns and scars.
There's no proof to that whatsoever. Their bodies are no more durable than other bodies. Shoot Luke in the head a few times and he's dead.
Minor flesh wound is still more superficial damage than no visible damage with over thirty seconds of fl. 😂
Still greater than over thirty seconds of combined fl torture without even a flesh wound. I didn't say blaster fire kills instantly I said it does more damage than fl. It's proven. Both are pathetic especially when compared to real power such as Khan's phaser cannon. It's Star Wars. Kinda weak. 😂
We also see in the Vader video a storm trooper being taken out by one shot. The helmet also absorbed most of the blast thus proving having armor, a robotic hand, is better than your flesh getting hit by it. Thanks for backing my case.
There is a basis and it's clear. Blaster fire is more powerful than fl which is only dangerous with 8-10 second prolonged exposure of the most powerful Sith Lord ever and even then you can walk away from it just fine if you're Luke with no flesh wounds. If you want to talk real power look at Khan's phaser cannon which rises bodies apart and downs Klingon ships with a shot. This is Star Wars though and even light saber shoulder stabs can be walked away from with minor pain.
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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2His own evidence supported me. The only thing he did was proved that despite blaster fire being more powerful than fl both are weak thus undermining StarWars power. In the video posted even a light saber swing from Vader only did minor damage to Kanan who is a joke. Well done, Nai.
It appears Nai wins. He has the evidence to back his claims. Nai triumphs once again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False, as it's clear its his had which does so. Your own evidence further validates my position that his hands are more durable than flesh which should be common sense in any country, friend-o. I didn't say it's blaster resistant it's clearly more durable and can be used to repel blasts in the right angle at the right times. No, you're lying about the scene entirely like the force can blow up blaster fire before it reaches someone. Nowhere in the history of canon Star Wars do force users blow up blaster fire before it reaches them.
Oh my.
You didn't say they were blasters resistant, Quanchi, but it is the only option, if you don't want Vader to use the Force. Why? Because the visual evidence demonstrates, that he doesn't deflect the bolts - they just hit without doing any damage. This happens at different angles. And yes, there is an instance in SW canon, where blaster fire has been blocked with the Force: This very scene. That you chose to ignore it is, frankly, your problem. To everyone else, it's pretty clear that people who can absorb and redirect force lightning (which is also just energy being fired around) with the Force, are capable of doing the same to blaster bolts.
That's what occurs in this instance. If someone could use the force to as you quote blow up blaster fire before it reaches them why has this never been done before. Even Yoda has to redirect the fl sent his way. He can't blow it up prior to hitting him.
No. He can just focus the entire energy in his hand (first lightning shot at him) or absorb it outright (second blast shot at him). If he can just absorb several seconds worth of force lightning, I wonder what would stop him from absorbing / stopping the energy of a blaster bolt.
Unproven. And you're comparing the fl which has been shown to hit someone for over ten seconds without any flesh wounds or even damage of any kind once he quits hitting Luke with it. Nothing. Shoot Luke for ten seconds with blaster fire and he'd die.
As much as I hate to repeat myself: Luke, according to the ROTJ script and novel, instinctively summoned the Force to defend himself against the Force Lightning, which is probably true for every force user being hit with it, thus - of course - limiting its effects to a certain extend. We still see smoke rising from his body, which indicates that something was damaged by the Force lightning.
So you are - still - comparing apples to oranges. Namely: Arcs of Force Lightning that didn't even all impact on Luke (some are seen hitting the enviroment) versus blaster bolts that hit the target on a single point. Essentially, the blaster bolt is a conventional bullet, while Force Lightning is a round of shot. The first causes more damage on a small area, the second causes damage on a wider area. Still: If you put both weapons against someones head and pull the trigger, the shot gun will cause more of a mess.
No, it isn't. You tried to pull something that didn't happen. None of it did and that's what you tried to pass off as evidence. Desperate.
Urm. Hello, Quanchi. We see it happening on screen. What you wanted to say is, that it doesn't happen in the usual reality. Correct. However: Everything part of the vision must come from somewhere. The only place of origin possible would be the minds of the persons involved. And those, apparently, think that Dooku's force lightning is capable of killing Clone Troopers.
And since you are incapable of presenting any evidence that speaks against that idea...
So now to admit he does make a sound and I caught you lying. You'd lie and have lied to prove your ridiculous case. He is without a saber of course he can't defend himself. Wtf. He is literally disarmed and in pain so who the **** thinks he's going to repel fl minus a saber and in extreme pain and duress. 😂
I did just say that he did not scream, which is the usual thing happening when people are hit with Force Lightning. And what does his saber have to do with it? He is a force user. Those are capable of defending themselves against Force attacks and we already know that ROTJ Luke did use some kind of defense against force lightning, so it's reasonable to assume that a Jedi Master who had 50 years of training under his belt could do the same, when Luke can do it after six months.
If there is no internal damage mentioned then you can't claim any of it. That isn't how debating works, back your claims.
Absense of proof is not proof of absense. And in this case, the smoke coming from Luke's body and the disfigured visage of Sidious are proof enough for damage being done. Stop ignoring it.
Geriatric skin damage is solid science. I know you're some Star Wars nerd who believes in the force but it isn't real. Sidious was hit by his own food directly to the face. Shoot him in the face for at least four second with blaster fire and he's dead. He walked away with burns and scars.
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Geriatic skin damage by powers from a mystical energy field is solid science, Quanchi? And yes. He was shot to his face by his own food when we see later that he is perfectly able to deflect it. So did he just let a fraction of the power pass to cause superficial damage instead of, let's say, kill himself with his own power? Appears reasonable to me. 😉
There's no proof to that whatsoever. Their bodies are no more durable than other bodies. Shoot Luke in the head a few times and he's dead.
Lmao. 👆
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[*]TPM - Maul is getting bisected and drops down a rather large way. He survives.
[*]AotC - Anakin drops down about a hundred meters and catches on to a vehicle moving at rather extreme speed. No damage done.
[*]AotC - Obi-Wan Kenobi shrugs of a rocket exploding right next to his feet and the explosion of turbolaser fire in close proximity. No damage done.
[*]RotS - Yoda drops from almost the top of the Senate chamber, hits a pod on his way down and then hits the ground. Gets up and walks away as if nothing has happened.
[*]RotS - Anakin has his legs and an arm removed, lies next to a lava river for an extended amount of time, has his skin burned of and his lungs damaged. Survives.
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Seriously. In situations where regular human beings would suffer from rather extreme injuries or outright die, Jedi / Sith just survive or don't have any damage happening to them at all. If that is an effect caused by instinctive use of the Force or anything else is everybodies guess, but the fact remains that they are far harder to damage / kill than ordinary human beings.
Minor flesh wound is still more superficial damage than no visible damage with over thirty seconds of fl. 😂
Since we don't know what kind of damage Force Lightning does exactly, describing other instances of wounds as greater is illogical.
Still greater than over thirty seconds of combined fl torture without even a flesh wound. I didn't say blaster fire kills instantly I said it does more damage than fl. It's proven. Both are pathetic especially when compared to real power such as Khan's phaser cannon. It's Star Wars. Kinda weak. 😂
But of course, Quanchi.
1:07 - 1:17
Han's blaster shots are generating massive explosions that rip part of the space age material walls of the space port aparts. The last bolt he fires as a rather large part of the wall coming down from above. And this is the same stuff that, according to you, Vader had exploding against his hands without making use of the force. 🙄
We also see in the Vader video a storm trooper being taken out by one shot. The helmet also absorbed most of the blast thus proving having armor, a robotic hand, is better than your flesh getting hit by it. Thanks for backing my case.
Would that be the same armor that doesn't protect people, specifically Vader, against force lightning? 😉
And, gosh, so stormtrooper armor doesn't protect against blaster fire, all other armor does. I'm beginning to wonder why Vader was moving his hands at all in ESB, instead of just letting the blaster bolts hit his armor. *shrug*
There is a basis and it's clear. Blaster fire is more powerful than fl which is only dangerous with 8-10 second prolonged exposure of the most powerful Sith Lord ever and even then you can walk away from it just fine if you're Luke with no flesh wounds. If you want to talk real power look at Khan's phaser cannon which rises bodies apart and downs Klingon ships with a shot. This is Star Wars though and even light saber shoulder stabs can be walked away from with minor pain.
Yes. Let's face the real facts here.
Force Lightning can kill usual people in an instant, much like a blaster bolt would. Both don't kill Jedi in an instant, because the Force offers some protection against external damage, thus we don't see Jedi being killed by single blaster bolts but rather gunned down with multiple shots to the body by entire groups of Clone Troopers.
And, yes, Khan's gun is impressive. Doesn't have anything to do with this thread, though.
Originally posted by NaiNo, that isn't the only option. Limited minds view life as black or white. It's grey and trying to put someone into a corner with just two options isn't really embracing the possibilities but rather trying to shoehorn someone to reach the same conclusion you have. So what is wrong with the blasts hitting without doing any damage. Iirc I saw it in the script that he deflected the shot. You also posted where a blaster shot hits a helmet and nothing significantly happens due to the helmet absorbing the bulk of the impact. It's like someone having a sturdier material present where a bullet hits them. I get that it's just energy but there's a limit to the power of the energy the Jedi can redirect aka Yoda. We see that Sheev tested his limits and based off of the damage his fl has done on screen it is less powerful than blaster fire which Yoda hasn't redirected. I mean if there are no limitations then you'd have some fanatic claiming they can redirect Death Star firepower.
Oh my.
You didn't say they were blasters resistant, Quanchi, but it is the only option, if you don't want Vader to use the Force. Why? Because the visual evidence demonstrates, that he doesn't deflect the bolts - they just hit without doing any damage. This happens at different angles. And yes, there is an instance in SW canon, where blaster fire has been blocked with the Force: [b]This very scene. That you chose to ignore it is, frankly, your problem. To everyone else, it's pretty clear that people who can absorb and redirect force lightning (which is also just energy being fired around) with the Force, are capable of doing the same to blaster bolts.No. He can just focus the entire energy in his hand (first lightning shot at him) or absorb it outright (second blast shot at him). If he can just absorb several seconds worth of force lightning, I wonder what would stop him from absorbing / stopping the energy of a blaster bolt.
As much as I hate to repeat myself: Luke, according to the ROTJ script and novel, instinctively summoned the Force to defend himself against the Force Lightning, which is probably true for every force user being hit with it, thus - of course - limiting its effects to a certain extend. We still see smoke rising from his body, which indicates that something was damaged by the Force lightning.
So you are - still - comparing apples to oranges. Namely: Arcs of Force Lightning that didn't even all impact on Luke (some are seen hitting the enviroment) versus blaster bolts that hit the target on a single point. Essentially, the blaster bolt is a conventional bullet, while Force Lightning is a round of shot. The first causes more damage on a small area, the second causes damage on a wider area. Still: If you put both weapons against someones head and pull the trigger, the shot gun will cause more of a mess.
Urm. Hello, Quanchi. We see it happening on screen. What you wanted to say is, that it
And since you are incapable of presenting any evidence that speaks against that idea...I we
Absense of proof is not proof of absense. And in this case, the smoke coming from Luke's body and the disfigured visage of Sidious are proof enough for damage
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[*]TPM - Maul is getting bisected and drops down a rather large way. He survives.
[*]AotC - Anakin drops down about a hundred meters and catches on to a vehicle moving at rather extreme speed. No damage done.
[*]AotC - Obi-Wan Kenobi shrugs of a rocket exploding right next to his feet and the explosion of turbolaser fire in close proximity. No damage done.
[*]RotS - Yoda drops from almost the top of the Senate chamber, hits a pod on his way down and then hits the ground. Gets up and walks away as if nothing has happened.
[*]RotS - Anakin has his legs and an arm removed, lies next to a lava river for an extended amount of time, has his skin burned of and his lungs damaged.Since we don't know what kind of damage Force Lightning does exactly, describing other instances of wounds as greater is illogical.
But of course, Quanchi.
1:07 - 1:17
Han's blaster shots are generating massive explosions that rip part of the space age material walls of the space port aparts. The last bolt he fires as a rather large part of the wall coming down from above. And this is the same stuff that, according to you, Vader had exploding against his hands without making use of the force. 🙄Would that be the same armor that doesn't protect people, specifically Vader, against force lightning? 😉
And, gosh, so stormtrooper armor doesn't protect against blaster fire, all other armor does. I'm beginning to wonder why Vader was moving his hands at all in ESB, instead of just letting the blaster bolts hit his armor. *shrug*Yes. Let's face the real facts here.
Force Lightning can kill usual people in an instant, much like a blaster bolt would. Both don't kill Jedi in an instant, because the Force offers some protection against external damage, thus we don't see Jedi being killed by single blaster bolts but rather gunned down with multiple shots to the body by entire groups of Clone Troopers.And, yes, Khan's gun is impressive. Doesn't have anything to do with this thread, though. [/B]
The reason he can redirect the fl is that it's weaker than blaster fire and even then it tested his limits which also blasted him off the pod.
So based off this we come to the conclusion that the force has to actively be called to aid the being struck by it. Should I post the clip where Palpatine catches Yoda off guard and temporarily knocks him out with fl. Yoda's body still gives off smoke despite no time to defend himself and no mention of force protection.
False. Fl has never had the same kind of power of a shotgun to a body. You can falsely try to come to this conclusion but there simply isn't any evidence. Blaster fire is simply more powerful than fl.
It's a vision and we see the end Palpatine just fall, cackle, and not act at all how he would in similar circumstances. It's designed to break Yoda it isn't based off realism but more of a psychological attack which ultimately failed. This never occurred. I never said fl can't kill clone troopers I said this isn't an example which happened in reality thus something you can cite aka it's a vision only.
You said he died before he was shot off but I proved he made an audible sound when he was thus proving you either lied or didn't catch this noise. The force isn't some automatic defense and must be used by the Jedi or Sith. I already have examples of the best force user getting tagged without being ready to defend himself and still giving off a smoke from his body just as Luke did. Luke used the force and Yoda didn't yet the same results basically occurred. The only difference was Yoda was suckered by it despite Palpatine actually warning him prior to.
Oh damage can be done after prolonged use and in close proximity. Just facial burning and scarring after ten seconds of it being redirected on your face and body is not impressive to a geriatric. Shoot Palpatine five times in the face and he's dead. Forget the ten seconds of solid blaster fire and we all know he can't survive that in a direct comparison.
No, a geriatric's skin being less durable and resistant is solid science. Hell, by rotj the guy needs a cane as well. His body can use the force but when it doesn't he's a geriatric.
1)tpm--Maul is another species so you can't compare him to a human in all facets. That was very impressive but he can't resist blaster fire either and his body was no more durable which is the point.
2)aotc--force abilities can make larger jumps, etc.
3) The thing did no damage to the floor and we see it not hit him directly so what's the point ? It didn't directly hit him FFS.
4) another species and probably more or less inconsistent fiction.
5) does not prove greater durability or have anything to do with blaster fire or fl.
Simply untrue. They are harder to kill due to their abilities and powers but they need to be actively used and absence of proof isn't proof. Fl does not damage at all the same way that blaster fire has done in canon.
Yes, we do since we have seen it hit Anakin and Yoda both unprepared. They both smoked. The force was being used by Luke and he still smoked. 😂
Thanks for supporting blaster fire as greater than Fl. You already showed a helmet shrugging off blaster fire so why can't the emperors chosen one in a suit designed with the empires best tech to sustain his life.
It does aboard most of the blast just as anything directly hit but no a stormtrooper doesn't or most likely doesn't have the same sturdy material as the chosen one.
The evidence has no example of killing no person in an instant but the opposite. We see it repelled by Yoda unlike blaster fire. We see Luke resist over ten seconds and Windu survive ten seconds at least thus disproving he can be killed in an instant. There is no evidence to back your laughable claims. I have won.
So if I find a clip of some blast killing a Jedi will you concede ? It's like multiple men shooting a guy to make sure he's dead or being moronic and shooting one bullet and assuming they are dead. They wanted to make sure so if they surround a Jedi they will all fire and to kill.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that isn't the only option. Limited minds view life as black or white. It's grey and trying to put someone into a corner with just two options isn't really embracing the possibilities but rather trying to shoehorn someone to reach the same conclusion you have. So what is wrong with the blasts hitting without doing any damage. Iirc I saw it in the script that he deflected the shot.
The movie is the final representation of the events in question: In the movie, the bolts just "explode" in front of Vader. He does not deflect them. So either he used the force or his gloves are blaster proof. There is no third option.
You also posted where a blaster shot hits a helmet and nothing significantly happens due to the helmet absorbing the bulk of the impact. It's like someone having a sturdier material present where a bullet hits them. I get that it's just energy but there's a limit to the power of the energy the Jedi can redirect aka Yoda. We see that Sheev tested his limits and based off of the damage his fl has done on screen it is less powerful than blaster fire which Yoda hasn't redirected. I mean if there are no limitations then you'd have some fanatic claiming they can redirect Death Star firepower.
You didn't get the point, Quanchi.
Certain forms of armor can protect people against blaster fire. Force users possess something called "force defense" that allows them to protect themselves against Force attack. Luke, according to the ROTJ script, uses this against Sidious' lightning. Mace, according to the ROTS novel, uses this - even after his hand is cut off - to attempt to defend himself against Sidious' lightning. And since in both instances, this happens instinctively, we can savely assume that each and every time a force user is hit with Force lightning, the force defense kicks in, reducing the actual damage done.
This is exactly the same thing we see happening to blaster bolts hitting armor. Even when a bolt is usually deadly, the armor prevents it from doing much damage - or any damage for that matter. The same happens to force lightning hitting a force user: It does less damage than it would do when hitting a normal person, because of force defense. In both instances, the result would usualy be death. But since we're missing the instance, in which Force Lightning is used on a average person [with the exception of the noted vision], we can't compare the power between blaster bolt / force lightning.
The reason he can redirect the fl is that it's weaker than blaster fire and even then it tested his limits which also blasted him off the pod.
Pardon me, Quanchi. Force Lightning is always shown to generate by far more kinetic energy than blaster bolts. Hence why Jedi can deflect blaster bolts without effort where it needs some strength (e.g. from Mace) to deflect Force Lightning.
So based off this we come to the conclusion that the force has to actively be called to aid the being struck by it. Should I post the clip where Palpatine catches Yoda off guard and temporarily knocks him out with fl. Yoda's body still gives off smoke despite no time to defend himself and no mention of force protection.
That doesn't exclude the idea that Yoda instinctively summoned some amount of force energy, provided he, you know, did not die.
False. Fl has never had the same kind of power of a shotgun to a body. You can falsely try to come to this conclusion but there simply isn't any evidence. Blaster fire is simply more powerful than fl.
See above. You're just drawing false conclusions from not compareable instances of blasters / force lightning being put to use.
It's a vision and we see the end Palpatine just fall, cackle, and not act at all how he would in similar circumstances. It's designed to break Yoda it isn't based off realism but more of a psychological attack which ultimately failed. This never occurred. I never said fl can't kill clone troopers I said this isn't an example which happened in reality thus something you can cite aka it's a vision only.
Really now? The last time I saw RotS, Sidious was cackling through pretty much the entire fight with Yoda. It's the same in his fight with Savage / Maul. He enjoys those situations. And of course it is based on "realism", because none of the parties involved can "envision" things outside of their own minds. Thus the idea of force lightning being deadly is part of their minds, otherwise it couldn't happen in the vision. Fairly easy concept, Quanchi.
The force isn't some automatic defense and must be used by the Jedi or Sith.
Hardly. In fact, the entire Jedi philosophy is focused on letting the force act through you rather then "using" it to archive your means. Furthermore their "prediction" runs on automated mode, just being hindered by their thoughts. Order 66 is probably the best example of that: Since the Jedi don't believe what the force shows them (them getting killed by Clones), it works so well, since they are obviously capable of taking out far greater numbers of droids. Those people trusting their visions (e.g. Yoda) survive.
In the same manner, they can instinctively summon the Force to protect themselves against attacks that would - otherwise - be deadly.
I already have examples of the best force user getting tagged without being ready to defend himself and still giving off a smoke from his body just as Luke did. Luke used the force and Yoda didn't yet the same results basically occurred. The only difference was Yoda was suckered by it despite Palpatine actually warning him prior to.
I wonder how you want to prove, that Yoda was not using the Force in that instant. He does react. He moves his hands in front of his face. He has the clear intention to protect himself against the Force attack. And yet, you assume that a being that has used the Force for eight centuries wouldn't even attempt to summon some kind of force defense in that particular situation? That it is not succesful, so that he gets hit by that attack (much like Luke and Mace) is an entirely different issue.
Oh damage can be done after prolonged use and in close proximity. Just facial burning and scarring after ten seconds of it being redirected on your face and body is not impressive to a geriatric. Shoot Palpatine five times in the face and he's dead. Forget the ten seconds of solid blaster fire and we all know he can't survive that in a direct comparison.
Give Sidious a helmet, shoot him five times in the face and nothing happens.
You keep comparing apples to oranges. If you give a Jedi the same protection against blaster bolts (armor) that they have against force lightning (force defense), the blaster bolts won't be deadly either. Or you shoot the force lightning on people who don't have any (force) defense against it, and they would be just as dead as any blaster bolt victim in the series.
No, a geriatric's skin being less durable and resistant is solid science. Hell, by rotj the guy needs a cane as well. His body can use the force but when it doesn't he's a geriatric.
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You are still trying to justify the effects of an attack powered by a mystical energy field by the idea that it - somehow - would affect "old skin" more than "new skin". That I have to point out the hilarity of that and you're still not getting it makes me think you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.
1)tpm--Maul is another species so you can't compare him to a human in all facets. That was very impressive but he can't resist blaster fire either and his body was no more durable which is the point.
He drops down a very deep shaft and survives. Drop a regular human down - even without bisecting him before - will result in certain death.
2)aotc--force abilities can make larger jumps, etc.
He just falls down and graps the speeder. There is neither a hint of him slowing down the fall, nor is their a hint of him using the force to avoid his arm being ripped off (or at least broken) by trying to hold on to that speed going at full speed.
3) The thing did no damage to the floor and we see it not hit him directly so what's the point ? It didn't directly hit him FFS.
So because the spage age material floor wasn't damage, there is suddenly no energy behind the explosion of turbolaser fire and rockets any longer? Nice to know that, Quanchi. Hint: If a regular human being has a rocket detonating in front of him with the explosioin we see happening, that human being either dies or is heavily injured.
4) another species and probably more or less inconsistent fiction.
I didn't see the canon evidence that describes Yoda's species as superhuman when it comes to resisting hitting the ground after a fall from a rather great hight. I could, of course, point to the fact that, essentially, Anakin in AotC does much the same.
5) does not prove greater durability or have anything to do with blaster fire or fl.
Yes. Ordinary humans can survive taking a nap close to a lava stream, having their limbs removed and getting their skin / lungs burned rather badly. What was I thinking? 🙄
Simply untrue. They are harder to kill due to their abilities and powers but they need to be actively used and absence of proof isn't proof. Fl does not damage at all the same way that blaster fire has done in canon.
So Luke in ESB does "actively use the Force" to survive getting hit by a Wampa and then, while being unconscious, he uses the Force to survive the cold? Seems reasonable. Using the Force while being unconscious to avoid damage appears to be a classic, since Obi-Wan can also avoid injuries, when Dooku drops that nice metal construction on his lifeless body in RotS.
Yes, we do since we have seen it hit Anakin and Yoda both unprepared. They both smoked. The force was being used by Luke and he still smoked. 😂
And all of them used force defense to protect themselves against the full extend of the force lightnings power. So they were "just smoking" because of that.
Thanks for supporting blaster fire as greater than Fl. You already showed a helmet shrugging off blaster fire so why can't the emperors chosen one in a suit designed with the empires best tech to sustain his life.
Why does the very same suit, that you deem "blaster proof", not provide protection against the "less powerful" force lightning, Quanchi? Easy question that should be easy to answer, right?
It does aboard most of the blast just as anything directly hit but no a stormtrooper doesn't or most likely doesn't have the same sturdy material as the chosen one.
Yes. And also the Chosen One himself, doesn't have the same material everywhere on his body, because otherwise the action of actually using his hands to deflect blaster bolts would be pointless. Or, wait, maybe he used the force... 🙄
The evidence has no example of killing no person in an instant but the opposite. We see it repelled by Yoda unlike blaster fire. We see Luke resist over ten seconds and Windu survive ten seconds at least thus disproving he can be killed in an instant. There is no evidence to back your laughable claims. I have won.
Well. Except for the fact that you keep ignoring: Jedi can offer some resistance against force lightning, even if they are hit by the ability.
So if I find a clip of some blast killing a Jedi will you concede ? It's like multiple men shooting a guy to make sure he's dead or being moronic and shooting one bullet and assuming they are dead. They wanted to make sure so if they surround a Jedi they will all fire and to kill.
Nope. I'll concede when you find a clip of Force Lightning fired to kill a non-force user, and not killing him. 😉
Originally posted by Nai
The movie is the final representation of the events in question: In the movie, the bolts just "explode" in front of Vader. He does not deflect them. So either he used the force or his gloves are blaster proof. There is no third option.Pardon me, Quanchi. Force Lightning is always shown to generate by far more kinetic energy than blaster bolts. Hence why Jedi can deflect blaster bolts without effort where it needs some strength (e.g. from Mace) to deflect Force Lightning.
That doesn't exclude the idea that Yoda instinctively summoned some amount of force energy, provided he, you know, did not die.
See above. You're just drawing false conclusions from not compareable instances of blasters / force lightning being put to use.
Really now? The last time I saw RotS, Sidious was cackling through pretty much the entire fight with Yoda. It's the same in his fight with Savage / Maul. He enjoys those situations. And of course it is based on "realism", because none of the parties involved can "envision" things outside of their own minds. Thus the idea of force lightning being deadly is part of their minds, otherwise it couldn't happen in the vision. Fairly easy concept, Quanchi.
Hardly. In fact, the entire Jedi philosophy is focused on letting the force act through you rather then "using" it to archive your means. Furthermore their "prediction" runs on automated mode, just being hindered by their thoughts. Order 66 is probably the best example of that: Since the Jedi don't believe what the force shows them (them getting killed by Clones), it works so well, since they are obviously capable of taking out far greater numbers of droids. Those people trusting their visions (e.g. Yoda) survive.
In the same manner, they can instinctively summon the Force to protect themselves against attacks that would - otherwise - be deadly.
I wonder how you want to prove, that Yoda was not using the Force in that instant. He does react. He moves his hands in front of his face. He has the clear intention to protect himself against the Force attack. And yet, you assume that a being that has used the Force for eight centuries wouldn't even attempt to summon some kind of force defense in that particular situation? That it is not succesful, so that he gets hit by that attack (much like Luke and Mace) is an entirely different issue.
Give Sidious a helmet, shoot him five times in the face and nothing happens.
You keep comparing apples to oranges. If you give a Jedi the same protection against blaster bolts (armor) that they have against force lightning (force defense), the blaster bolts won't be deadly either. Or you shoot the force lightning on people who don't have any (force) defense against it, and they would be just as dead as any blaster bolt victim in the series.🙄
You are still trying to justify the effects of an attack powered by a mystical energy field by the idea that it - somehow - would affect "old skin" more than "new skin". That I have to point out the hilarity of that and you're still not getting it makes me think you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.
Incorrect. We also never see Yoda stop any kind of energy with the force in front of him. You're making shit up. We have not one other example in all of canon Star Wars and you actually mistake yourself for an intelligent man. Slap yourself repeatedly.
We see Luke is effected in the same way that someone who is taken off guard so we see absolutely no difference. So by the same token the force defense kicks in when shot by blaster fire. It doesn't save them either. So again despite your ridiculous claims we are right back to where we started. Blaster fire is more powerful. Like I said Yoda and Anakin were taken out pretty fast by one shot of fl.
We see blaster fire used to kill and injure force users. It's more powerful than fl. Once again you can't dismiss the direct comparisons.
One is a continuous stream and one isn't. We see Kenobi easily repel the fl. We also see Jedi mowed down by blaster fire. The reason we see fl as more of a problem is the people using it are highly skilled. We don't have an entire army of clones zapping people with fl. Difference is when blaster fire hits it does more damage to Jedi and Sith than fl.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence. He was ko'd. He was taken off guard. Order 66 took the Jedi off guard. They died. In this instance he was just ko'd. Difference of power is made abundantly clear.
No, you're ignoring the evidence when shotguns tear through the bodies while fl simply has never done so thus far.
He cackled but held on tightly to the pod. Yoda fell. It never occurred in real life so it isn't evidence. It is really simple. You're desperate and a disingenuous debater.
False. Yoda senses their reactions and reacted. We see them aim at him and then he reacts. We also see Yoda wasn't in a bad situation like most of the other Jedi. We see them alone without any allies in the midst of battle. Yoda has to take on two with two wookies present after to aid him. Kenobi falls down but luckily survives. He takes no action and is just lucky to have survived. You're again disingenuous.
Prove it.
Yoda is unsuccessful and we see when he actively uses it he stops the fl and when he doesn't. You are kind of brain dead here tbh. It couldn't be any more obvious to a toddler. Prove he had the force defense when he clearly didn't react in time. He's ko'd. He didn't block it so he wasn't ready for it. Obviously.
Blaster bolts kill Jedi. Order 66, Jango Fett, droids in aotc, etc. Sidious didn't have a helmet when fl hit him so why give him a helmet here ? We compare in the same exact situation where he didn't have a helmet. You're horribly biased and not even bright enough to not employ a double standard.
This is proven in science but ignore it just because hey you ignore everything else that doesn't line up with your hilarious biased opinion.
Originally posted by Nai
He drops down a very deep shaft and survives. Drop a regular human down - even without bisecting him before - will result in certain death.He just falls down and graps the speeder. There is neither a hint of him slowing down the fall, nor is their a hint of him using the force to avoid his arm being ripped off (or at least broken) by trying to hold on to that speed going at full speed.
So because the spage age material floor wasn't damage, there is suddenly no energy behind the explosion of turbolaser fire and rockets any longer? Nice to know that, Quanchi. Hint: If a regular human being has a rocket detonating in front of him with the explosioin we see happening, that human being either dies or is heavily injured.
I didn't see the canon evidence that describes Yoda's species as superhuman when it comes to resisting hitting the ground after a fall from a rather great hight. I could, of course, point to the fact that, essentially, Anakin in AotC does much the same.
Yes. Ordinary humans can survive taking a nap close to a lava stream, having their limbs removed and getting their skin / lungs burned rather badly. What was I thinking? 🙄
So Luke in ESB does "actively use the Force" to survive getting hit by a Wampa and then, while being unconscious, he uses the Force to survive the cold? Seems reasonable. Using the Force while being unconscious to avoid damage appears to be a classic, since Obi-Wan can also avoid injuries, when Dooku drops that nice metal construction on his lifeless body in RotS.
And all of them used force defense to protect themselves against the full extend of the force lightnings power. So they were "just smoking" because of that.
Why does the very same suit, that you deem "blaster proof", not provide protection against the "less powerful" force lightning, Quanchi? Easy question that should be easy to answer, right?
Yes. And also the Chosen One himself, doesn't have the same material everywhere on his body, because otherwise the action of actually using his hands to deflect blaster bolts would be pointless. Or, wait, maybe he used the force... 🙄
Well. Except for the fact that you keep ignoring: Jedi can offer some resistance against force lightning, even if they are hit by the ability.
Nope. I'll concede when you find a clip of Force Lightning fired to kill a non-force user, and not killing him. 😉
I agree maul can survive what humans can't but that isn't the issue here.
You said it's an instinctive ability to protect the force user but now say hey it isn't used automatically here. Double standards again.
This isn't real life but realism doesn't matter as you claim geriatric skin is as durable as a man in his thirties. We see the explosion doesn't damage Kenobi. Hell, Cad Bane bested him with a little electro shock. Plus you said force defense so by your own admission it defended him here. Be consistent with your awful debating at least.
Yoda can live 800 years can humans ? Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. It's another species and maul can survive what humans can't either.
He needed a suit and medical attention from the best of an empire of a galaxy. His force defenses according to you kicked in.
There is nothing Kenobi can do when someone blasts him or hits him. He can't force defense himself. He is trapped yet not significantly harmed. He's lucky is all.
Where's your proof Yoda used the force ? We see he can redirect the energy when he uses the force but when he doesn't he gets tagged. The most simple choice is usually the correct one.
Electrical currents can short out a mechanical suit. It wasn't more powerful just more effective against Vader's suit. Common sense ftw.
Give me one other example of the force stopping and exploding enegery before it gets to the guy without redirecting it.
The same Jedi have been killed by blaster fire by an automatic defense according to you this killing your case with the same laughable nonsense.
Blaster fire still killed Jedi and your laughable theory ends up blowing a load in your own face.