Originally posted by NaiIt is the personal choice what we acknowledge but my perspective is official while yours isn't. Mine counts and yours doesn't. Got that now ? Fine.
Yes. It's all still part of the debates within this subforum, that deals with Star Wars in it's entirety, including the things that are not part of the new canon. Got that now? Fine.We have also seen how Vader was hit with a blaster and just deflected it. We've also seen Princess Leia being hit by a blaster (RotJ) receiving a minor flash wound. We've also seen Luke Skywalker being hit by a blaster (RotJ), resulting in a burning of the artificial skin of his hand. Thus, blaster fire isn't as lethal as you think it is. Fact.
When was the Force ever limited to a certain body part of its user? It's an omnipresent energy field, you know?
She is employing a power that is matched by Sidious force lightning. Thus it stands to reason, that the abilities are similar in terms of power. And Sidious was still stalemating her (at the very least) on her own.
Yes. We also have plenty of examples for characters surviving blaster fire. While at two of the three examples you've mentioned, the lightning wasn't even meant to kill by the person using it (Luke, Maul) but just to torture.
Blasters still don't kill. Sidious still didn't even try to kill Luke. And Talzin still used her lightning against Sidious force lightning and failed to overpower him, indicating, that his lightning is as powerful as hers.
We see that he raised his hand at an angle to do so. We didn't see Vader's flesh do that did we ? Comparing Vader's suit to a human is adorable. It left visible pain and marks unlike the fl. Luke survived over ten seconds of out to kill Palpatine.
He didn't use the force he used his hand. We've seen Yoda take fl to the body and he was ko'd. We have seen his hand redirect the energy when ready. Was Vader ready for the attack ? Can Yoda just redirect energy if it hits him when he isn't prepared for it ? You can't be this simple.
A continuous energy stream met by another one which was aided by Dooku. It doesn't matter as Palpatine's continuous stream has hit flesh before and didn't kill with over ten seconds set to kill.
Palpatine announced to Luke you shall die and had over ten seconds.
Yes, they do. We see blasters gun down force users during order 66. No matter how you slice it Luke's can't survive ten seconds of blaster fire whereas Luke can walk away with no visible or internal damage from fl from the emperor.
Game, set, match.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the personal choice what we acknowledge but my perspective is official while yours isn't. Mine counts and yours doesn't. Got that now ? Fine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine announced to Luke you shall die and had over ten seconds.
I'm sure you've taken into account the fact that Palps is a sadistic dude who enjoys inflicting pain and that he may have been dragging out Luke's death so as to get maximum satisfaction? Or did you intentionally overlook that entirely reasonable possibility because it would disprove your theory?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they do. We see blasters gun down force users during order 66. No matter how you slice it Luke's can't survive ten seconds of blaster fire whereas Luke can walk away with no visible or internal damage from fl from the emperor.Game, set, match.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzzWhat I support the owner of Star Wars supports. Live in your own fantasy land.
That still doesn't mean that Legends can't be talked about. You and Disney have no control over what other people think about continuity changes. But for the record, even the "facts" in your "canon" don't support anything you've been saying.I'm sure you've taken into account the fact that Palps is a sadistic dude who enjoys inflicting pain and that he may have been dragging out Luke's death so as to get maximum satisfaction? Or did you intentionally overlook that entirely reasonable possibility because it would disprove your theory?
Depends where the blasters hit him. If they're all in the lower leg, chances are good he'll survive. You also have absolutely zero proof that there wasn't internal damage. That's the point of it being internal--you don't see it. Any amount of electrical discharge into the human body will cause nerve damage to some extent.
He already tortured Luke and then announces he will kill him and despite over ten seconds he isn't left with so much as a scar.
Point is they are more powerful than fl which can hit the entire body and you can walk away from the most powerful fl wielder.
Luke was fine so there's no proof just wishful thinking. Maybe some legends story had Luke on deaths door not Disney canon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What I support the owner of Star Wars supports. Live in your own fantasy land.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He already tortured Luke and then announces he will kill him and despite over ten seconds he isn't left with so much as a scar.Point is they are more powerful than fl which can hit the entire body and you can walk away from the most powerful fl wielder.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke was fine so there's no proof just wishful thinking. Maybe some legends story had Luke on deaths door not Disney canon.
Originally posted by DarthBeanzzI let the company decide what counts. Fanboys just make up their own rules.
So you're just a mindless drone then.Still doesn't disprove the sadistic torture theory. For all we know Palps intended to drag it out for an hour.
And what about all the football players who develop outrageous neurological problems years after they stop playing? Most of them seemed fine right after they got hit, but the damage was still there. You've got the exact same situation here. You just can't tell until it's too late.
He said now you will die. He tortured him prior to. The desperation in your posts is pretty easy to spot.
We will see Luke thirty years later. Let's place a bet. I bet he's fine. 💃
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the personal choice what we acknowledge but my perspective is official while yours isn't. Mine counts and yours doesn't. Got that now ? Fine.
No. It's not "personal choice" what we acknowledge. The common agreement in this forum is to accept "Legends" as part of the issues debated here, unless specified in the thread otherwise. Thus everything from the EU applies. That you don't want it to because your lack of knowledge and yourself getting totally owned by it in this particular debate is completely irrelevant here.
We see that he raised his hand at an angle to do so. We didn't see Vader's flesh do that did we ? Comparing Vader's suit to a human is adorable. It left visible pain and marks unlike the fl. Luke survived over ten seconds of out to kill Palpatine.
Proof that Sidious was "out to kill" and demonstrate that Luke didn't try to defend himself against that attack. Since you can't do either, you can just as well drop the point. In fact, the RotJ novel outright states, that Luke managed to block the lightning for a short period of time and the greater effect of it on Mace / Vader demonstrates that Sidious wasn't the full power of his ability against Luke.
He didn't use the force he used his hand.
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We've seen Yoda take fl to the body and he was ko'd. We have seen his hand redirect the energy when ready. Was Vader ready for the attack ? Can Yoda just redirect energy if it hits him when he isn't prepared for it ? You can't be this simple.
You don't get it: They use the Force in order to deflect / absorb the lightning. There is no reason for this to happen at the palm of the hands, because they could just generate the effect at every point of their body. It appears to be unreasonable to assume, that a Force user wouldn't attempt to muster some defence against a Force attack or have no higher resistance against them than your Average Joe, which is precisely what you're doing here.
A continuous energy stream met by another one which was aided by Dooku. It doesn't matter as Palpatine's continuous stream has hit flesh before and didn't kill with over ten seconds set to kill.
They were already "dueling" long before Dooku joined the fight. Fact.
And just because Palpatine says "Now you will die." doesn't mean he is out to instantly kill Luke with full power of his lightning, given that he clearly pumps more energy into it when using it against Mace Windu in RotS and Vader in RotJ, who's skeletons we see lighting up through their flesh and skin.
Palpatine announced to Luke you shall die and had over ten seconds.
In which he wasn't using the full power of his lightning, demonstrated by the fact that the ability was showing a far greater effect against Vader / Windu.
Yes, they do. We see blasters gun down force users during order 66. No matter how you slice it Luke's can't survive ten seconds of blaster fire whereas Luke can walk away with no visible or internal damage from fl from the emperor.
Since you're still comparing relatively low energy force lightning to relative high energy blaster fire, you are still not making sense. And Luke can't survive ten seconds of being hit with stuff that leaves compareable damage to what the blaster shot has done to his hand? I seriously doubt that. That aside: Some of the force users we see during Order 66 do survive multiple blaster hits before finally getting down.
Game, set, match.
Yes. I won with my first posting. Thanks for acknowledging it.
Originally posted by NaiIt is up to the poster to decide what counts. I'm following canon you aren't. You can't let go of the past. It doesn't count. Disney erdicated all of the legends stuff, sugar.
No. It's not "personal choice" what we acknowledge. The common agreement in this forum is to accept "Legends" as part of the issues debated here, unless specified in the thread otherwise. Thus everything from the EU applies. That you don't want it to because your lack of knowledge and yourself getting totally owned by it in this particular debate is completely irrelevant here.Proof that Sidious was "out to kill" and demonstrate that Luke didn't try to defend himself against that attack. Since you can't do either, you can just as well drop the point. In fact, the RotJ novel outright states, that Luke managed to block the lightning for a short period of time and the greater effect of it on Mace / Vader demonstrates that Sidious wasn't the full power of his ability against Luke.
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You don't get it: They use the Force in order to deflect / absorb the lightning. There is no reason for this to happen at the palm of the hands, because they could just generate the effect at every point of their body. It appears to be unreasonable to assume, that a Force user wouldn't attempt to muster some defence against a Force attack or have no higher resistance against them than your Average Joe, which is precisely what you're doing here.
They were already "dueling" long before Dooku joined the fight. Fact.
And just because Palpatine says "Now you will die." doesn't mean he is out to instantly kill Luke with full power of his lightning, given that he clearly pumps more energy into it when using it against Mace Windu in RotS and Vader in RotJ, who's skeletons we see lighting up through their flesh and skin.In which he wasn't using the full power of his lightning, demonstrated by the fact that the ability was showing a far greater effect against Vader / Windu.
Since you're still comparing relatively low energy force lightning to relative high energy blaster fire, you are still not making sense. And Luke can't survive ten seconds of being hit with stuff that leaves compareable damage to what the blaster shot has done to his hand? I seriously doubt that. That aside: Some of the force users we see during Order 66 do survive multiple blaster hits before finally getting down.
Yes. I won with my first posting. Thanks for acknowledging it.
Sidious announces he will now die. We see Luke didn't defend himself against the lightning other than just absorbing the pain. There was nothing he could do in that situation except plead for Vader's help.
We see the film that he doesn't block any of it. He's just taking it like Maul did as well or Windu after Anakin cut his hand off. No, nothing suggests he held back save for faulty reasoning for your sickening agenda.
That's what the script says so keep rolling your eyes and making things up.
I do get it Yoda had two seconds to react and the fl hit his body and what happened ? It ko'd him. We don't see them or anyone create this ability with their chest but with the palm of their hands. We see that my theory is proven correct whereas yours isn't. Vader also took the fl because he was busy picking up Palpatine and can't repel the fl with his body. Obviously. When you make baseless claims have evidence to prove them not useless conjecture.
Their energy met each other and Dooku was required to aid him. That's a fact. It means he isn't going to torture him like previously but that he meant to kill him. We've never seen fl's power alone kill someone so there isn't an example which you can lean on. Don't ignore the facts but instead embrace them. You seek to distort facts in every debate I've ever seen you in.
Vader had a suit which prolonged his life. It damaged the suit but guess what Luke doesn't have a suit so it wouldn't have the same effect now would it ??
We see then die. Some don't need multiple shots but the clones don't take any chances and pump those weak Jedi full of blasters. Almost the entire order was taken out in a night. Blasters leave visible damage and are simply more powerful than fl. The only way you can say otherwise is that ridiculous noncanon eu nonsense. Disney doesn't recognize it and neither do it.
Your attempt at distorting the truth and ignoring canon is resisting the tide. Eventually you will get pulled in.