Originally posted by Mr Master
Lulz @ at my scans having nothing to do with "boundaries". 😐You quoted [b]my
entire post
and didn't take a sec to realize it was proving how Asgard is outside 616. (nothing to do with boundaries) 😬... and I did prove it, with out doubt.
celeyhyga17 provided evidence Asgard-Space is now an infinite universe, I saw it myself, so I agreed.
You don't like that, take it up with him. [/B]
Nothing else. Do you want me to flood the scans for that too?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I literally scrolled randomly through the very first 4 issues of Thor and found evidence indicating Asgard being outside of the Universe and the Nine Realms not being a continent:
Just so people know how far back the ideas originate.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I literally scrolled randomly through the very first 4 issues of Thor and found evidence indicating Asgard being outside of the Universe and the Nine Realms not being a continent:
Just so people know how far back the ideas originate.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusim having a brain cramp. How does these scans support Asgard not being in the same universe as Earth? They seem to support the opposite.
I literally scrolled randomly through the very first 4 issues of Thor and found evidence indicating Asgard being outside of the Universe and the Nine Realms not being a continent:
Just so people know how far back the ideas originate.
What exact words of the scans are you looking at?
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see. Well, what I'm about to present is an array of different writer's interpretation of Asgard's location,
we'll see if there's anything familiar between them.-----------------------------------
Asgard is ... "far beyond this realm of Space and Time" (616)
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Asgard is .... "an incomputable distance away, ... far beyond the reach of Mortal Time" (616)
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Asgard is ... "far beyond the conventional boundaries of Reality" (616)
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Asgard is ... "a [b]distant
Dimension" ... or "another Plane of Reality" (either way, outside 616)-----------------------------------
Asgard is ... "an extra-Dimensional Realm" (therefore outside 616)
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Asgard is ... separated from 616 by "Dimensional Barriers" (no different than any other universe)
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Asgard is ... "Far beyond mortal man's understanding of Time and Space" (616) ...
"Beyond even his wildest dreams of Reality" (616)
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You mentioned the "Rainbow Bridge" ... but with out that "Bridge," Asgard has no access to the 616 universe:
The "Bridge" is an inter-dimensional passage way/portal that traverses "an infinite void" to reach 616:
Bifrost by-passes Space and Time to reach 616 and vice-versa. (another space-time is another universe)
Thor (mjolnir able to dimension hop) still had difficulty reaching Asgard from 616 when the Bridge was broken:------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Btw, all the Pantheons are located in realms outside 616, from Olympus to Ancient Egypt,
and they themselves are separate from each other as well,
in some cases, by infinite universes, as silly as it sounds. [/B]
Asgard is closely connected to Earth. If Asgard was completely separate from 616 then
1. Why is that particular Odin and that particular Asgard associated with 616 Earth? Why not another Earth, like the Earth from universe 1610? Oh that's right, it's because the 1610 universe has its own version of Odin, Thor, and Asgard that's connected that Earth's universe.
2. Explain all the multiple Thors we seen fighting Gor? Each version was from a different universe connected to there own version of Earth.
One last thing. Your concept of outside is flawed. There is no such thing as outside in the sense we use to describe being literally outside of something. Man cannot comprehend the nature of Reality and other realities. You are thinking of universes as bubbles that are an actual distance away from each other. The concepts of Space time and dimension can not be fully understood by man. All of our notions based off our senses are totally wrong in the light of what's the truth. It's like trying to get a fish to understand modern physics of Space and time. They simple don't have the capacity to understand it. Hell, a cat doesn't even know it's on a planet or what the moon is. I can teleport in the room with a dog and it wouldn't even question "how the phuck". It would just lick me and not care.
Originally posted by abhilegendAsgard lies beyond the actual 616 universe
You could've just announced how you agreed with my post, toilsome as that may be for ya.
Originally posted by abhilegendas its a pocket realm associated with it.
Do you want me to flood the scans for that too?
But recent proof was provided by celey and Rage that disputes your contention.
Prove them wrong with evidence. (more recent) than theirs that is. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterBut that's just a scientist giving his opinion. Even Thor disagrees with him. If we take character's statements over established canon then we have to do it with all. And we would get a buttload of contradictions if we do.
I know, that's what I proved in the prior page. 👆 Asgard is outside 616.You could've just announced how you agreed with my post, toilsome as that may be for ya.
Do what ya gotta do.
But recent proof was provided by celey and Rage that disputes your contention.
Prove them wrong with evidence. (more recent) than theirs that is. 🙂
Anyway
Asgard is closely connected to Earth. If Asgard was completely separate from 616 then
1. Why is there more than one Asgard?
2. Why is that particular Odin and that particular Asgard associated with 616 Earth? Why not another Earth, like the Earth from universe 1610? Oh that's right, it's because the 1610 universe has its own version of Odin, Thor, and Asgard that's connected with that Earth's universe. Each Earth has it's own version of Asgard which is different that the Asgard affiliated with the 616 universe.
3. Explain all the multiple Thors we seen fighting Gor? Each version was from a different universe connected to there own version of Earth.
Originally posted by h1a8
Each Earth has it's own version of Asgard which is different that the Asgard affiliated with the 616 universe.
But each Asgard-Space is located outside the universe it's associated with.
Since 1952, Asgard has been located outside 616: (Journey into Mystery 85)
"Beyond our segment of Time and Space" ... (616) ... "there exists Asgard"
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This isn't the only universe outside 616 affiliated with 616 btw, there's plenty more, let me know.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I know, that's what I proved in the prior page. 👆 Asgard is outside 616.You could've just announced how you agreed with my post, toilsome as that may be for ya.
Do what ya gotta do.
But recent proof was provided by celey and Rage that disputes your contention.
Prove them wrong with evidence. (more recent) than theirs that is. 🙂
It has been designed as a pocket universe for as long as it existed. Several handbook and comics support it.
And I don't have to prove either of them wrong. They are already wrong when they assume Asgard is an independent universe to 616 universe.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat rage and celey did was taking word "universe"
and running it like Asgard is somehow an alternate/parallel universe.
Just sayin.
Originally posted by abhilegendAnd I don't have to prove either of them wrong.
They are already wrong when they assume Asgard is an independent universe to 616 universe.
They presented actual evidence, you'll have to do the same to challenge them.
And I know Asgard-Space used to be a Pocket-Reality, but the new proof posted by celey and Rage says otherwise.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, Asgard is in an "Extra-Dimensional" Space, which would include it as a Parallel Universe.Just sayin.
I understand your discord with them, but your opinion will not suffice.
They presented actual evidence, you'll have to do the same to challenge them.
And I know Asgard-Space used to be a Pocket-Reality, but the new proof posted by celey and Rage says otherwise.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I literally scrolled randomly through the very first 4 issues of Thor and found evidence indicating Asgard being outside of the Universe and the Nine Realms not being a continent:
Just so people know how far back the ideas originate.
Originally posted by h1a8
Asgard is closely connected to Earth. If Asgard was completely separate from 616 then1. Why is that particular Odin and that particular Asgard associated with 616 Earth? Why not another Earth, like the Earth from universe 1610? Oh that's right, it's because the 1610 universe has its own version of Odin, Thor, and Asgard that's connected that Earth's universe.
2. Explain all the multiple Thors we seen fighting Gor? Each version was from a different universe connected to there own version of Earth.
One last thing. Your concept of outside is flawed. There is no such thing as outside in the sense we use to describe being literally outside of something. Man cannot comprehend the nature of Reality and other realities. You are thinking of universes as bubbles that are an actual distance away from each other. The concepts of Space time and dimension can not be fully understood by man. All of our notions based off our senses are totally wrong in the light of what's the truth. It's like trying to get a fish to understand modern physics of Space and time. They simple don't have the capacity to understand it. Hell, a cat doesn't even know it's on a planet or what the moon is. I can teleport in the room with a dog and it wouldn't even question "how the phuck". It would just lick me and not care.
Hia8 gets it. The mortal realm Asgard refers to is the 616 mortal realm. That doesn't mean that there is one Asheadcforbthr while Multiverse.
Asgard is a dimensional realm within the 616 Extradimensional realm. Each universe has its own god realms connected to it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Absolutely, I never disputed that.But each Asgard-Space is located [b]outside
the universe it's associated with.Since 1952, Asgard has been located outside 616: (Journey into Mystery 85)
"Beyond our segment of Time and Space" ... (616) ... "there exists Asgard"
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This isn't the only universe outside 616 affiliated with 616 btw, there's plenty more, let me know. [/B]
This is no way shape or form indicates that Asgard exists outside of 616. At this point anyone arguing this is citing their personal fan-fiction as fact.
Originally posted by abhilegendI've judged that they are right though.
Cool beans bro.You're not some kind of judge here to judge me and rage/celey to decide the winner.
You bought into what they are selling? Good for you. It's wrong but I respect your opinion and you're entitled to it.
👆
And I am the law.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat actually doesn't change anything I said. It's a continent in a very loose sense. Parts of it are scattered about the Asgardian realm, but they are all connected across that space.
I literally scrolled randomly through the very first 4 issues of Thor and found evidence indicating Asgard being outside of the Universe and the Nine Realms not being a continent:
Just so people know how far back the ideas originate.
Originally posted by Juntai
Also, the rest of the worlds of the world tree outside of Midgard exist in Asgardian Realm/Asgardian Space, so the idea that that each of them are universes is also false.They exist in different places in that Asgardian space, but they're interlocking and connected across those distances by various portals and tunnels. In some cases, walking to the edge of one sends you to the next.
You can literally walk across the Asgardian Realm, and its like a continent.
The Continent of Asgard [if you walked and mapped it out]:
However, unless it's changed, Asgard, Vanaheim, Alfheim, and Nidavellir all existed on the same piece of land floating in space.
Once again throwing that whole Worlds/Universe thing in disarray.
We also have the problem of all those Asgardian characters being designate from Universe 616 in all the handbooks. Telling you, despite it being a dimensional gap from the prime universe, its not it's own universe, the whole is just part of 616.
