Originally posted by Mister SupremeYou have to travel through both time and space to find exactly where and when. No one knows the exact time DD was born or the exact location. You would be looking for an eternity.
Oh, please, all you have to do with DD is to travel back in time and prevent DD's birth from the very beginning, end of story.
Originally posted by h1a8
You have to travel through both time and space to find exactly where and when. No one knows the exact time DD was born or the exact location. You would be looking for an eternity.
Not really. Wave Rider was able to find out about DD's past by interacting with him. If someone knows DD was born on pre historic Krypton, then finding out the exact time shouldn't really be that hard.
Originally posted by SquallXwe are not waverider. Just because we can travel through time doesn't mean we can also travel through space and it doesn't mean we would know exactly when and where DD was born.
Not really. Wave Rider was able to find out about DD's past by interacting with him. If someone knows DD was born on pre historic Krypton, then finding out the exact time shouldn't really be that hard.
Here are the problems
1. Traveling to actual location.
2. Knowing where the location is.
3. Knowing the exact time in which to time travel to.
Bendis.
Here Angela describes how somebody had "ripped" her "from the heavens"
And here is the scene that precedes the scan above. She refers to the very place where she was "ripped" out of as Heven even though it's not her actual home. It looks to be a separate planet where she was hunting, but still in the realm of Heven. It reinforces the idea that terms like Midgard, Asgard, and Heven are interchangeable with the universe/realm and the actual land or the part of that universe that has a connection to Yggdrasil. In this case Earth/Midgard, Asgard, Heven, so on and so forth.
Gillen.
Or here for example where we have a brief history of some of her exploits in the Tenth Realm/Heven before Thor destroyed the barrier erected by Odin.. She travelled to other worlds in the Tenth Realm and was not confined only in Heven(actual land mass where the Angels reside ) while being completely separate from our own universe as already shown in earlier scans.
http://i.imgur.com/3qPWX0B.jpg
And here again hunting in other galaxies while still in the Tenth Realm/Heven.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Fraction.Aaron.
Here Future Loki gives Angela mental suggestions that she can go back to her native universe(Tenth Realm/Heven) after it was located by Young Loki and its barrier broken by Thor.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Bendis.Here Angela describes how somebody had "ripped" her "from the heavens"
And here is the scene that precedes the scan above. She refers to the very place where she was "ripped" out of as Heven even though it's not her actual home. It looks to be a separate planet where she was hunting, but still in the realm of Heven. It reinforces the idea that terms like Midgard, Asgard, and Heven are interchangeable with the universe/realm and the actual land or the part of that universe that has a connection to Yggdrasil. In this case Earth/Midgard, Asgard, Heven, so on and so forth.
Gillen.
Or here for example where we have a brief history of some of her exploits in the Tenth Realm/Heven before Thor destroyed the barrier erected by Odin.. She travelled to other worlds in the Tenth Realm and was not confined only in Heven(actual land mass where the Angels reside ) while being completely separate from our own universe as already shown in earlier scans.
And here again hunting in other galaxies while still in the Tenth Realm/Heven.
Still doesn't makes them full universe. Its just pocket universes which are associated with 616 universe.
When marvel gives Asgard a d.ifferent universe number, come talk to me.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Still doesn't makes them full universe. Its just pocket universes which are associated with 616 universe.When marvel gives Asgard a d.ifferent universe number, come talk to me.
Not every universe is the same. Not everything or everyone has a counterpart. It's spelled out for you here. A ten year old can understand it.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Each universe has a number. Marvel has established the 616 universe for years. It contains Asgard and the other realms. In an alternate universe there is another world tree, with realms associated with it.
Asgard wouldn't need a designation since they are so closely related to mainstream Marvel continuity.
Pretty sure designation numbers were created to differentiate similar characters from alternate universes or earths(ie. Capt Britain).Not every universe is the same. Not everything or everyone has a counterpart. It's spelled out for you here. A ten year old can understand it.
But the bottom line is that you can't quantify the feat in any degree if the feat is dependent on the tree. If Odin, without use of the tree, had moved a realm then we can argue whether the realm is a full universe or not. But for now, it's moot since the tree was the plot device used.
Originally posted by h1a8
Each universe has a number. Marvel has established the 616 universe for years. It contains Asgard and the other realms. In an alternate universe there is another world tree, with realms associated with it.But the bottom line is that you can't quantify the feat in any degree if the feat is dependent on the tree. If Odin, without use of the tree, had moved a realm then we can argue whether the realm is a full universe or not. But for now, it's moot since the tree was the plot device used.
I did not say Asgard does not have a "number". I'm saying that you'd be hard pressed to see Marvel designate it with a number.
I don't know why it's so hard to accept that each realm associated with the World Tree is a fully "formed universe" as per scans.
And you're probably right. There is most likely another World Tree somewhere connecting alternate versions of these "fully formed universes".
Lol again with Odin "using" the tree. Where and how did he use Yggsrasil to remove the Tenth Realm? It is more a cosmological map related to Asgardian lore. It does have a sort of physical manifestation in certain story lines, but even then you would need to be extremely powerful to affect the realms if you mess with it. What precedent makes you believe that a simple tk can displace a universe connected to Yggdrasil?
