High End Thor vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Juntai
Midgard is Earth.

Originally posted by Juntai
Marvunapp.
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/dimensions2.htm

Asgard Journey into Mystery #85 (October 1962) Floating planetoid in a dimensional space and mystical home of the Asgardians (Norse gods), including the Aesir and Vanir; plus the Elves, Giants; one of the Nine Worlds of Asgard where the Norse gods dwell but presently located on the Earth Dimension.

Lets you know that the 9 worlds refer to planets/planetoids that exist in dimensional spaces.

Jotunheim Journey into Mystery #112(February 1965) One of the Nine Worlds of Asgard; home of the giants.

Alfheim Thor #277 (November 1978) Land inhabited by the Ljo's-Alfar (more commonly known as the "Bright" of "Light" Elves"😉 and one of the Nine Worlds of Asgard.

Earth is the middle world.
Known as the home of the humans. [As each of the 9 has a purpose or home of a race]

Originally posted by Juntai
Now to corroborate with actual comics.

"Earth, or as he [Thor] and the Asgardians call it.. Midgard."

This is also the current writer on Thor.

Originally posted by Juntai
He will forge a new moon for his beloved Midgard.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Tears off the Tenth Realm(Heven) from Yggdrasil.

And just for reference, each realm in Yggdrasil is a fully formed universe.

Like Old Asgard Space is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Also all the characters in mainstream Marvel (even Heimdall) is in the 616 universe.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

He's just theorizing on the dimensional space they occupy.
But each Marvel Universe has one of these.

Even he agrees with it.

"Midgard. That's Earth."

Originally posted by h1a8
Earth is not a universe. Unless it's a universe inside the 616 universe.

Also all the characters in mainstream Marvel (even Heimdall) is in the 616 universe.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm aware.
It doesn't change anything.
His random explanation doesn't undo the entire history of Marvel, both on panel from narration and characters and in bios.

He's just theorizing on the dimensional space they occupy.
But each Marvel Universe has one of these.

Even he agrees with it.

"Midgard. That's Earth."

One writer's opinion doesn't changes the fact that Asgard or Olympus have always been shown as a pocket universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
One writer's opinion doesn't changes the fact that Asgard or Olympus have always been shown as a pocket universe.

You do know your statement falls flat on it's face when more than one writer has recently described a realm in Yggdrasil as a universe...

... Is that supposed to be a contradiction?

Originally posted by abhilegend
One writer's opinion doesn't changes the fact that Asgard or Olympus have always been shown as a pocket universe.

So?

Fraction made it a huge point of his stories and then Aaron and Gillen treated it as fact. That's like over half a decade of Thor mythos.

FYI, Asgard being its own separate Universe far far away can be traced back to Lee and Kirby.

Midgard refers to Earth but like every member of the 10 worlds it apparently serves a centre and connection to the World Tree for the aligning Universe. In Asgard Space it was Asgard itself and so on.

I don't understand the argument or how it changes anything. Or what it has to do with the fact that Thors very best durability feats shit on Doomsdays*.

*If you think Doomsday is more durable that's fine, that's an entirely different argument and not what we're discussing.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

You do know your statement falls flat on it's face when more than one writer has recently described a realm in Yggdrasil as a universe...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So?

Fraction made it a huge point of his stories and then Aaron and Gillen treated it as fact. That's like over half a decade of Thor mythos.

FYI, Asgard being its own separate Universe far far away can be traced back to Lee and Kirby.

Or are you saying that every time Mephisto or some other hell lords dimension is stated to be a universe means they have a separate universe? Please.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Midgard refers to Earth but like every member of the 10 worlds it apparently serves a centre and connection to the World Tree for the aligning Universe. In Asgard Space it was Asgard itself and so on.

I don't understand the argument or how it changes anything. Or what it has to do with the fact that Thors very best durability feats shit on Doomsdays*.

*If you think Doomsday is more durable that's fine, that's an entirely different argument and not what we're discussing.

If you think? Superman's best durability feats TOTALLY eclipse anything Thor has.

Doomsday is far more durable than Superman.

Its like saying Superman's best durability feats shit on Kurse's best feats.

Do you agree with that?

^Yes bro. 😐

Unless you take into account that it took the energy of Mjolnir/Stormbreaker to knock him out and use the highest feats for Mjolnir as the standard energy output or something.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Uh, sure? The fact still remains that Asgard is still treated as a pocket universe aligned to main 616 universe and not a separate universe.

Or are you saying that every time Mephisto or some other hell lords dimension is stated to be a universe means they have a separate universe? Please.

Asgard Space was confirmed and reinforced through multiple plot points to be a fully formed Universe along with the rest of the Nine Worlds.

No I'm not saying that because Mephisto's realm is not one of the Nine Worlds. Like, how is that even remotely relevant?

Fyi, Mephisto's realm has been depicted as basically a fully formed Universe before but that's not really important.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Midgard refers to Earth but like every member of the 10 worlds it apparently serves a centre and connection to the World Tree for the aligning Universe. In Asgard Space it was Asgard itself and so on.

I don't understand the argument or how it changes anything. Or what it has to do with the fact that Thors very best durability feats shit on Doomsdays*.

*If you think Doomsday is more durable that's fine, that's an entirely different argument and not what we're discussing.

Now if you insist that each realm is indeed a universe then those universes are small as solar systems. A fully formed universe could be the size of a solar system.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Yes bro. 😐

Unless you take into account that it took the energy of Mjolnir/Stormbreaker to knock him out and use the highest feats for Mjolnir as the standard energy output or something.

Asgard Space was confirmed and reinforced through multiple plot points to be a fully formed Universe along with the rest of the Nine Worlds.

No I'm not saying that because Mephisto's realm is not one of the Nine Worlds. Like, how is that even remotely relevant?

Fyi, Mephisto's realm has been depicted as basically a fully formed Universe before but that's not really important.

Anyway, this is a character in a book that's talking, not narration. We take characters words with a grain of salt, especially if the contradict the entire Marvel established history and official bios. The 616 universe encompasses all the realms. The other marvel universes has those same 9 realms. Each universe has its own 9 realms. What does this tell you?

I remember you dismissing Rules feat of controlling Mjolnir in zero gravity because it contradicted Marvel history. Well isn't what's shown >>>> what's stated by a character? So if we dismissed what's shown then we can certainly dismiss what's stated by a character.

Nah, it doesn't contradict MArvel's history:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah, it doesn't contradict MArvel's history:

Edit: I understand. You are referring to the Rulk incident. I was referring to Rulk using Mjolnir's powers (not lifting it) in zero gravity. Rulk should be able to lift Mjolnir in zero gravity but not use its powers, according to Rage.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol you are getting your threads mixed up. This thread is about universes, not Mjolnir's enchantment. That's the other thread.

Nope, just pointing out that this sentence:

I remember you dismissing Rules feat of controlling Mjolnir in zero gravity because it contradicted Marvel history.

Which is in THIS thread, isn't quite correct. Or at least, Rage is incorrect. Still waiting on your ruling, however.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, just pointing out that this sentence:

Which is in THIS thread, isn't quite correct. Or at least, Rage is incorrect. Still waiting on your ruling, however.

No idea - must have posted at the exact same time!