Peak Power Onslaught vs H/P Doomsday...

Started by 80sBaby12 pages
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He has met it before. It isn't like its brand new to him.

He's never faced a completely psionic entity before nor has he faced this power level, which does make a difference.

He's faced both punches and energy attacks before yet still went down to a bunch of kryptonians punching him and Imperiex blasted him to nothing. The type of power used is only part of the equation.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Hulk was unconscious.

Ah yes. From the separation.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
He's never faced a completely psionic entity before nor has he faced this power level, which does make a difference.

True. But all that means is that he has the chance to adapt - for example, GLs NOT one shot killing him meant that he was able to adapt and start feeding off them.


He's faced both punches and energy attacks before yet still went down to a bunch of kryptonians punching him and Imperiex blasted him to nothing. The type of power used is only part of the equation.

Bunch of Kryptonians punched a different version of Doomsday though.

And Galan has already shown what entropy does....hardly 'energy'. He was hit by entropy, which kills all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

True. But all that means is that he has the chance to adapt - for example, GLs NOT one shot killing him meant that he was able to adapt and start feeding off them.

Bunch of Kryptonians punched a different version of Doomsday though.

And Galan has already shown what entropy does....hardly 'energy'. He was hit by entropy, which kills all. [/B]

1. The idea that he could adapt is a much better argument than implying he'd be okay since he already faced other types of energy. Of course, he had to be killed by said energy to adapt to it so Onslaught would still win by that reasoning.

2. Was it a different one, though. See, the DD that showed up after OWAW was a clone mixed with kryptonian DNA but he also had intelligence. The DD that the kryptonians fought didn't display any intellect at all and seemed to be the same one we always had prior to OWAW.

3. I don't think entropy is a physical thing that can be quantified, is it? In comic terms, it would still be considered an energy attack I would think.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
1. The idea that he could adapt is a much better argument than implying he'd be okay since he already faced other types of energy. Of course, he had to be killed by said energy to adapt to it so Onslaught would still win by that reasoning.

He does not have to die.
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2. Was it a different one, though. See, the DD that showed up after OWAW was a clone mixed with kryptonian DNA but he also had intelligence. The DD that the kryptonians fought didn't display any intellect at all and seemed to be the same one we always had prior to OWAW.

Barring an explanation as to where that specimen came from, I will have to firmly disagree with you - we definitely saw him reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, so anything after the OWAW is a different incarnation. Of course, time travel could have been involved, but we didn't see it.


3. I don't think entropy is a physical thing that can be quantified, is it? In comic terms, it would still be considered an energy attack I would think.

Originally posted by Galan007
Prime is definitely haxx, but he still survived pure anti-matter energy:

As did Flash:

As did Swamp Thing's essence:

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Conversely, Entropy destroys absolutely everything it touches.

It erases all time/space:

It erases all energy:

Even abstract entities, like Death, cease to exist on even a conceptual level when Entropy strikes them:

Hence Waverider's statement: "It is the only time... The only place known where life cannot possibly exist.":

Other than the hulk fight did onslaught have any other fights

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Other than the hulk fight did onslaught have any other fights

He engaged in a lot of mind games, I believe that he showed dominance over the Phoenix. I think that the latter would be his greatest feat? Going solely on feats is definitely a solid means of showing what characters can do, but it doesn't always prove without a shadow of doubt to be the only way of showing a characters might. Especially when it comes to characters that lack feats due to low appearances. Onslaught turned a lot of heads by beating the Juggernaut soundly off panel. That was in a time that Cain was thought to be effectively unbeatable.

I recall but off panel feat and hyperbole are damn near synonyms. Just not so sure Onslaught can put him down

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I recall but off panel feat and hyperbole are damn near synonyms. Just not so sure Onslaught can put him down

Not really in Cain's case if we go with the out of the cow's mouth approach. Cain was clearly afraid of his assailant.

Forgot about that. He one shot koed Classic Juggernaut with a single hit. Then he punched a hole in Cain with a simple touch.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not really in Cain's case if we go with the out of the cow's mouth approach. Cain was clearly afraid of his assailant.

Yea but wouldn't that affect his power levels

Slaught is underrated costantly. He takes HP D diwn

Originally posted by Stoic
Not really in Cain's case if we go with the out of the cow's mouth approach. Cain was clearly afraid of his assailant.
Nearly killing classic Darkseid with like 3 hits is more impressive, imho.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He's already demonstrated reality warp on a Solar scale; Doomsday has be harmed by far less than Solar scale reality warp...

There is no reason why Doomsday doesnt fall to this...other than the fact that some of you here dont like it.

So, could, should and would will be taken at face value from now on? With out him ever done it? Got it 👆

Lets use the same standard here then. Doomsday COULD cancel the energies of Franklin's reality warp (because OS has never done it) and evolve on the fly against them.

There is no "reason" to believe that he could not do it as he has adapted to energies in the past.

Since he has already been killed by energy he could have evolved beyond that.

Wishfull thinking works both ways.

Btw you keep koving the goal post.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So, could, should and would will be taken at face value from now on? With out him ever done it? Got it 👆

Lets use the same standard here then. Doomsday COULD cancel the energies of Franklin's reality warp (because OS has never done it) and evolve on the fly against them.

There is no "reason" to believe that he could not do it as he has adapted to energies in the past.

Since he has already been killed by energy he could have evolved beyond that.

Wishfull thinking works both ways.

Btw you keep koving the goal post.

Doomsday would be transmutted before he could adapt...game over.

Besides, lets be clear on something; a reality warper doesnt have to do every conceivable thing with his power before reasonable assumptions can be made...

Does a Cosmic Cube have to transmute Hawkeye into a carrot to prove it could do it?

Of course not; you know that the Cube has high end reality warp, Hawkeye has been harmed by far less than CCU level reality warp, and that high end reality warp has been demonstrated on panel...

Same applies here with Onslaught...

Of course some of you are being logic defying as you just don't like the idea of Doomsday losing like this...

This version of Doomsday has been harmed by less than Solar levels of reality warp...

Those are the facts...

Originally posted by Galan007
My end point: Doomsday wins because Onslaught's on-panel feats are lacking.
This sums it up perfectly

Originally posted by carver9
Forgot about that. He one shot koed Classic Juggernaut with a single hit. Then he punched a hole in Cain with a simple touch.
Blatant lie and twisting the context again.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
This sums it up perfectly

Ah but read on...

Onslaught does have an excellent feat that strongly suggests he could defeat Doomsday...

You just refuse to accept the feat because he didnt target a character with his reality warp...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ah but read on...

Onslaught does have an excellent feat that strongly suggests he could defeat Doomsday...

You just refuse to accept the feat because he didnt target a character with his reality warp...

I believe in facts and feats, not hyperbole and hope.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
I believe in facts and feats, not hyperbole and hope.

As do I...

Read everything up to this point and feel free to point out flaws in my logic...

If I'm wrong, I'll own it, but if you find my reasoning sound, give me credit...