Originally posted by carver9
Naah. Thor only did as good as he did against Classic Jugs because of the force field removal that was his primary durability. This doesn't apply to Colossonaut. His durability is his hide and Thor isn't breaching that, even with the removal of his force field.
Originally posted by carver9
Colossonaut?
Yup.
Sinister controlled him casually.
Oh, and Magneto controlled him casually too.
Oh, and Unit KO'd him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083452-0+%282%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpg
Edit: looking at those scans again, I think Colossus KO'd himself by tripping on his own feet.....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup.Sinister controlled him casually.
Oh, and Magneto controlled him casually too.
Oh, and Unit KO'd him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083452-0+%282%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpgEdit: looking at those scans again, I think Colossus KO'd himself by tripping on his own feet.....
Have the scans of Sinister and Magneto controlling him?
The Unit showing is his lowest showing since having that power. Wouldn't consider that his average.
Originally posted by carver9
Have the scans of Sinister and Magneto controlling him?The Unit showing is his lowest showing since having that power. Wouldn't consider that his average.
Lol.
Before I defeat you once more, tell me, how many showings did Colossus have since having that power?
We take averages here. If Colossus has 5 showings, I've just shown that 20% of his showings involve being KO'd by having Namor fly into him. If 20% of Superman's showings were low, you'd be laughing your head off.
You can see in the scan I posted, Magneto casually chucking Colossus into the atmosphere.
Here it is again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpg
Here is another scan of Magneto controlling Colossaunaut:
https://colossuscollection.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/metallic-fastball-special.jpg
Sinister:
http://i.imgur.com/kAqKxX0.jpg
Let me guess your next move: you will claim Sinister is amped.
Here, he admits he CANNOT outmuscle Hope, who was using Emma Frost's TP.
http://i.imgur.com/Kty1ZE2.jpg
IOW, Emma Frost level TP is enough to make Colossus kneel. Emma. A high Meta on this board.
Oh, and Cyke is enough to tear that helmet off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.Before I defeat you once more, tell me, how many showings did Colossus have since having that power?
We take averages here. If Colossus has 5 showings, I've just shown that 20% of his showings involve being KO'd by having Namor fly into him. If 20% of Superman's showings were low, you'd be laughing your head off.
You can see in the scan I posted, Magneto casually chucking Colossus into the atmosphere.
Here it is again:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/3083453-0+%283%29.jpgHere is another scan of Magneto controlling Colossaunaut:
https://colossuscollection.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/metallic-fastball-special.jpgSinister:
http://i.imgur.com/kAqKxX0.jpgLet me guess your next move: you will claim Sinister is amped.
Here, he admits he CANNOT outmuscle Hope, who was using Emma Frost's TP.
http://i.imgur.com/Kty1ZE2.jpgIOW, Emma Frost level TP is enough to make Colossus kneel. Emma. A high Meta on this board.
Oh, and Cyke is enough to tear that helmet off.
Colossus have enough showing for us to know that with this power, a trip into Namor shouldn't even tickle him.
Could Magneto powers overcome Colossonaut unstoppable enchantment?
Aaahhhhh, I remember the Sinister showing. I thought you were talking about those two fighting one on one without any interference. With that said, your scan is irrelevant.
Originally posted by carver9
Colossus have enough showing for us to know that with this power, a trip into Namor shouldn't even tickle him.
Ah, so you're using the hype, as opposed to his actual showings, eh? I see why you have trouble with this thread.
Could Magneto powers overcome Colossonaut unstoppable enchantment?
Aaahhhhh, I remember the Sinister showing. I thought you were talking about those two fighting one on one without any interference. With that said, your scan is irrelevant.
Course you remember 😉
How is it irrelevant?
A mid meta (Cyclops) can destroy his helmet. Previously, that would not have even fazed Juggy.
A high meta (Emma) can command him to kneel, once the helmet is off.
Colossus did not always go into battle with his helmet up. CIS is still on in the forum.
So IYO, no herald can beat Colossonaut - but a high and a mid meta would do fine?
What about a mid herald, like, say...erm, lemme check the tier thread....Martian Manhunter? A high herald like Surfer? Full power Cable? Classic Strange? Captain Comet? Maxima? Rachel Summers?
Your original point, lest you forget, was that IWO no herald could beat Colossus.
Edit: If you want, since your BZs seem to be going nowhere, I challenge you to a BZ. Two posts each, as you never seem to have time.
I can choose anyone, high herald and below (just one character). You can choose Colossonaut. Care to face me?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Agreed - but Ion HAS the feats of rewriting reality. Sodom....got sodomised, lol.
Whilst losing control, he wasn't even able to kill Spiderman. Sure, he was holding back - but Magik wasn't, and she's a Hell Lord with 1/5th Phoenix powers.
Depends on their durability, surely. [/B]
2) Pretty sure it was colossus who beat down spidey,magik wanted to kill him but colossus didn't agree and they KO'd eachother...:ell lord thing only works in theor realm btw,outside she is just a regular mutant who can teleport with a soul sword..also wasn't she faking her phoenix drama? I think she said that somewhere
3) I don't think physical durabilty has anything on reality warping,unless ofcourse its mystical or cosmic in nature...is that how doomsday's durability is?
4) Did namor actually KO colossus by flying into him? U got the scan? Love to see that
Originally posted by Genii96
1) Heh,this sodom guy sounds like a klutz....however the difference it,onslaught has the reality warping feats,so its not like I am hyping him because he absorbed franklin
Fair enough!
2) Pretty sure it was colossus who beat down spidey,magik wanted to kill him but colossus didn't agree and they KO'd eachother...:ell lord thing only works in theor realm btw,outside she is just a regular mutant who can teleport with a soul sword..also wasn't she faking her phoenix drama? I think she said that somewhere
True, though I didn't think she was faking (someone can correct me)
3) I don't think physical durabilty has anything on reality warping,unless ofcourse its mystical or cosmic in nature...is that how doomsday's durability is?
It's one of those iffy things that I will need to feat share with other characters, as no one has attempted to warp Doomsday before.
4) Did namor actually KO colossus by flying into him? U got the scan? Love to see that
I really am replying to your post because of this point, lol. I love it.
BEHOLD! THE FEARSOME AVATAR OF CYTTORAK!
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Edit: Namor didn't KO Piotr by flying into him (as you can see his calf in the corner of the picture - he was still on the ground. Piotr KOed himself by running into Namor, lol
Originally posted by Decter
I thought Manhunter was high herald?
On here, he's a mid. As is full powered God Cable, someone who apparently won't be able to defeat Colossonaut, according to carver.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577922.html
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Doomsday would be transmutted before he could adapt...game over.
Do you have proof of this? or is this another assumption based on potential power?
Onslaught never transmutated no one, so if you keep making this claim, you have to back it up with evidence.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Besides, lets be clear on something; a reality warper doesn't have to do every conceivable thing with his power before reasonable assumptions can be made...
That has been pointed out to you as "No limits fallacy", IIRC the level of reality warping shown by onslaught it was localized to Manhattan. So you have to show evidence that it was on "solar scale" there is no indication he did his reality warping on that level, as a matter of fact it seems the sun created by onslaught was only seen on the Manhattan skyline
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Does a Cosmic Cube have to transmute Hawkeye into a carrot to prove it could do it?
Of course not; you know that the Cube has high end reality warp, Hawkeye has been harmed by far less than CCU level reality warp, and that high end reality warp has been demonstrated on panel...
Same applies here with Onslaught... [/B][/QUOTE]
Really as if Hawkeye level of durability is = to Doomsday? I understand your point, but a cosmic cube is just as effective as the person who is using it. POTENTIALLY the power is there, but if it is not used properly then, it can't.
As it has been mentioned before Sodam Yat never displayed the same power level as Kyle Ion and Sodam Yat Ion is suppose to be >>>>> Kyle Ion, did He accomplished anything? I will even say BASED ON PANEL EVIDENCE Kyle Ion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sodam Yat Ion. I am not going to hype Sodam Yat Ion based on potential he may have. Based on panel evidence Onslaught basically did nothing and he was defeated by adding mass to his energy form, something that Doomsday could very much accomplish on his own. So no I won't give Franklin Richards feats to Onslaught based on potential the same way I won't give Kyle Ion feats to Sodam Yan Ion. It does not work that way.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Of course some of you are being logic defying as you just don't like the idea of Doomsday losing like this...
I think the only logic fallacy here is using a no limits fallacy and the idea of giving feats from one character to another based on potential when they have NEVER DONE IT ON PANEL.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
This version of Doomsday has been harmed by less than Solar levels of reality warp...
Like I said IIRC it was a localized event on the Manhattan skyline, so it will be good if you can provide irrefutable evidence that it was on a solar scale.
Now Doomsday has actually defeated the "ultimate ENERGY life form" by canceling his energies and he has shown to adapt and tank energies of several kinds.
So if Onslaught wins is based on HYPE and feats He does not have, on the other hand Doomsday has the feats to shown with facts that He can win this fight.
So Onslaught can create all the weak constructs he wants, he can control the sentinels to block the exits of Manhattan, create his localized electromagnetic pulse storm or his localized Sun on the Manhattan skyline, Those are Onslaught feats, Doomsday has faced better and he can win this fight.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday has no brain, nor blood.I do like how you would argue for 1 whole year that Hulk's colour is due to artist error, but something like blood spots - even though it directly contradicts a characteristic of Doomsday - is A-OK.
Actually, he has a mind. It's just that it's feeled with rage and an uncontrollable desire to kill everything it comes across. It's not possible to reason with it and I'm actually very surprised that someone was actually able to mind control him. Doubt it'd work again though.
...and yeah, you're right about Carver, of course.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@RaoOnslaught creating a second sun is verified on panel; there is nothing local and "manhantan-scale" about it:
I saw it and I read the whole arc. There is no indication that the sun was even visible on other parts of the world. As a matter of fact it seem that everything Onslaught did was localized to Manhattan.
Also there is NOTHING indicating that this sun was "Solar scale" , since ALL the feats Onslaught did on that arc were localized to Manhattan it is safer to assume a smaller scale that what it's been suggested., imo
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
If Onslaught can do that, then you and everyone else saying that he cant reality warp a slightly bigger than mansized object is laughable...I repeat, HP Doomsday has been harmed by far less than Solar scale reality warp...
Provide irrefutable evidence that is "solar scale"
Also if you want to give Onslaught feats of Franklin Richards wouldn't be better just to create a thread of DD vs Franklin Richards?
Instead of trying to hype Onslaught into Franklin's abstract power level?
