Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI've read everything you put, and you've been told about the flaws in your argument by several posters. You use things you think Onslaught should be able to and not what he's actually done in battle.
As do I...Read everything up to this point and feel free to point out flaws in my logic...
If I'm wrong, I'll own it, but if you find my reasoning sound, give me credit...
Originally posted by Insane Titan
I've read everything you put, and you've been told about the flaws in your argument by several posters. You use things you think Onslaught should be able to and not what he's actually done in battle.
And I've countered every criticism of my logic...
Onslaught demonstrated his reality warp while being confronted by the heroes...
Also read the above post that pertains to reasonable assumptions as pertains to reality warpers; the logic is sound isnt it?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He does not have to die.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpgBarring an explanation as to where that specimen came from, I will have to firmly disagree with you - we definitely saw him reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, so anything after the OWAW is a different incarnation. Of course, time travel could have been involved, but we didn't see it. [/B]
I remember that Waverider managed to protect heroes by moving them outside of time stream.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He does not have to die.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1149979-da1_40.jpgBarring an explanation as to where that specimen came from, I will have to firmly disagree with you - we definitely saw him reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex, so anything after the OWAW is a different incarnation. Of course, time travel could have been involved, but we didn't see it. [/B]
As far as I remember Waverider actually survived that, while Flash of course did not-so whoever says H/P DD is tougher than Waverider-they are absolutely 100% wrong.
Plus, as far as I remember Waverider was still able to manipulate that rift, despite what he said-that he cannot manipulate it at all, possibly even close the rift.
Waverider did not even have time manipulation powers when that rift opened-that's why Waverider could not close the rift and both Waverider and Flash were running into that rift (scans where Waverider, without time control/manipulation and Flash are traveling in FTL).
I remember that Waverider managed to protect heroes form the Big Bang explosion itself by moving them outside of time stream-another way to beat and kill and destroy H/P DD once and for all.
I don't know about Onslaught though, couldn't just Onslaught create fear to all superheroes and supervillains in DD's mentality so DD would run away for the rest of his life?
We already know he has the powers of nate,xavier and richards,by feats we have seen him use his psionic powers..and we have seen him make a sun...so he can use either the psionic or reality warping powers(at least on a solar scale)
You don't need to see a reality warper killing someone,to know reality warper can kill someone
Originally posted by Genii96
We already know he has the powers of nate,xavier and richards,by feats we have seen him use his psionic powers..and we have seen him make a sun...so he can use either the psionic or reality warping powers(at least on a solar scale)
You don't need to see a reality warper killing someone,to know reality warper can kill someone
Sodom Yat.
Daxamite.
Powers on par with Superman.
Gets a GL ring.
Gets the powers of ION on top of that (who was never retconned as becoming weaker).
Result? Less than the sum of his parts.
Colossus. Gets more power than any other herald of Cytorrak, an Elder God.
Gets 1/5th of the power of the Phoenix, an abstract force of creation capable of remaking reality.
Result? Less than the sum of his parts.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sodom Yat.Daxamite.
Powers on par with Superman.
Gets a GL ring.
Gets the powers of ION on top of that (who was never retconned as becoming weaker).
[b]Result? Less than the sum of his parts.
Colossus. Gets more power than any other herald of Cytorrak, an Elder God.
Gets 1/5th of the power of the Phoenix, an abstract force of creation capable of remaking reality.
Result? Less than the sum of his parts. [/B]
Yea but onslaught is different
He HAS psionic feats
He HAS reality warping feats on a solar level
Which is what I am going by
If I can create a sun by warping reality,do I really need to warp a person before it can be inferred I can?
But even if you ignore his reality warping abilities,his psionics still gives him the win
As for colossus,he could barely control the powers cytorrak gave him,having power if you can barely control it wouldn't really help you
As for the phoenix hosts,it was pretty clear the avengers were screwed if not for wanda,whose powers affected them greatly and they weren't trying to kill the avengers either so you wouldn't expect to see any light show.
While I understand the feats rule,I am simply saying if one can reality warp to create a sun,warping a human sized opponent shouldn't be hard,no?
Originally posted by Genii96
Yea but onslaught is different
He HAS psionic feats
He HAS reality warping feats on a solar level
Which is what I am going by
If I can create a sun by warping reality,do I really need to warp a person before it can be inferred I can?
But even if you ignore his reality warping abilities,his psionics still gives him the win
Agreed - but Ion HAS the feats of rewriting reality. Sodom....got sodomised, lol.
As for colossus,he could barely control the powers cytorrak gave him,having power if you can barely control it wouldn't really help you
As for the phoenix hosts,it was pretty clear the avengers were screwed if not for wanda,whose powers affected them greatly and they weren't trying to kill the avengers either so you wouldn't expect to see any light show.
While I understand the feats rule,I am simply saying if one can reality warp to create a sun,warping a human sized opponent shouldn't be hard,no?
