Dooku vs. Maul

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I did rebut them. Go back and look. You're probably confused since I quoted yours then had to quote it again sees I pressed a wrong button.

Everything I said is also canocially proven. Jaunt because you bring in a fact do sent negate mine. Also have you even read Dark Disciple? If you have then you would know that it only proves how fast Vos was, not how slow Dooku was. You do understand he was getting beat by Anakin so of course he would say that to cover himself. He is a proud man. Umm no. Kenobi cut maul in half once. Kenobi 1, Maul 0. Then they fought again while Kenobi was at a disadvantage however still a win. 1 and 1. Then they fought again and really more of a tie since when it was 1 on 1 Kenobi held his own. So really pretty much even. Sidious valued the potential, not the actual power since there wasn't just a lot. If he valued actual power he would have kept Dooku over Anakin or tired to convert another Jedi. He was looking for potential which Anakin had a lot of.

Again Dooku has taken on youth. Dooku vs Obi wan. Dooku vs Anakin. Dooku vs Ventress. Dooku vs savage. Dooku vs Vos. Dooku vs Ventress and the nightsisters while drugged. Those are just canon. Dooku vs Bulq and Tholme. Dooku vs the night brothers. Dooku vs Windu. All of these opponents he has fought and have beaten.some with ease. And guess what they were younger than him. You make it seem like Dooku has no skill.

I have seen Vos in action and have always maintained Dooku is slower and more or less relies on his saber skillset. Kenobi was disarmed and at his mercy. Maul had him and later showed himself to be too much for Kenobi as well. Dooku saluted Kenobi as an opponent whereas Maul just wants to torture him.

Anakin killed him. Kenobi doesn't match up well. He has skill just not speed and youth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, your response didn't address my points.

I have seen Vos in action and have always maintained Dooku is slower and more or less relies on his saber skillset. Kenobi was disarmed and at his mercy. Maul had him and later showed himself to be too much for Kenobi as well. Dooku saluted Kenobi as an opponent whereas Maul just wants to torture him.

Anakin killed him. Kenobi doesn't match up well. He has skill just not speed and youth.

Yea it did. It most likely just made it to where even you, the troll can't come up with a lame excuse.

In your opinion. We all know how well to take your opinion. Then guess what jumped up and bisected him. Want fun. He didn't show that. He showed to be even since one on one he wasn't overpowering anything. Even with savage Kenobi was twirling around and kicking them and sliced off an arm.

After how many tries. Dooku beat him other times and Anakin is younger. Irrelevant to the point. Obi still younger which was your point that youth was an advantage that seems to be a game changer. Has speed as seen in TCW and the films and Expanded universe. Youth I agree with you. He's 83 and was still kicking butt. Salute the elderly.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea it did. It most likely just made it to where even you, the troll can't come up with a lame excuse.

In your opinion. We all know how well to take your opinion. Then guess what jumped up and bisected him. Want fun. He didn't show that. He showed to be even since one on one he wasn't overpowering anything. Even with savage Kenobi was twirling around and kicking them and sliced off an arm.

After how many tries. Dooku beat him other times and Anakin is younger. Irrelevant to the point. Obi still younger which was your point that youth was an advantage that seems to be a game changer. Has speed as seen in TCW and the films and Expanded universe. Youth I agree with you. He's 83 and was still kicking butt. Salute the elderly.

He disarmed him and had him at his mercy. That's a fact. Kenobi admitted despite rage he couldn't best him.

Anakin wasn't as skilled then and has always been rather reckless. Kenobi is a bad matchup that doesn't have youth and the aggressive style thing going for him like Maul. Not against Vos or Anakin. He's dead. Maul wins.

Evan why do you still respond to this guy? Yes, I do reply to redpill, but he at least is sometimes open to ideas. Ignore him and stop replying to his posts and threads and he will go away.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Evan why do you still respond to this guy? Yes, I do reply to redpill, but he at least is sometimes open to ideas. Ignore him and stop replying to his posts and threads and he will go away.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You conceded.

He disarmed him and had him at his mercy. That's a fact. Kenobi admitted despite rage he couldn't best him.

Anakin wasn't as skilled then and has always been rather reckless. Kenobi is a bad matchup that doesn't have youth and the aggressive style thing going for him like Maul. Not against Vos or Anakin. He's dead. Maul wins.

I know you did. You ignored my points so you concede.

Who was bisected though? Rage doesn't always help. We can see it obviously hindered him. I believe it to be more of a style thing. We see Kenobi use this to boost him twice. Once it works, the second it doesn't. I give it to the style change and by extension personality. TPM is an Ataru specialist, an aggressive style. Afterward Soresu, purely defensive. Personalities switch so not necessarily work. Doesn't matter how you feel about that, the fact is he beat Kenobi, so whether bad match up or not it's the fact. He beat Vos. He beat Anakin. All facts and canon. Kenobi is younger than Maul I believe or they are around the same age. Where are the feats? Dooku losing to Anakin and Vos aren't feats that help Maul, since it just shows Anakin and Vos are above Maul.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I know you did. You ignored my points so you concede.

Who was bisected though? Rage doesn't always help. We can see it obviously hindered him. I believe it to be more of a style thing. We see Kenobi use this to boost him twice. Once it works, the second it doesn't. I give it to the style change and by extension personality. TPM is an Ataru specialist, an aggressive style. Afterward Soresu, purely defensive. Personalities switch so not necessarily work. Doesn't matter how you feel about that, the fact is he beat Kenobi, so whether bad match up or not it's the fact. He beat Vos. He beat Anakin. All facts and canon. Kenobi is younger than Maul I believe or they are around the same age. Where are the feats? Dooku losing to Anakin and Vos aren't feats that help Maul, since it just shows Anakin and Vos are above Maul.

I never said he wasn't hurt but my point is he still had Kenobi at his mercy. Vader never had Kenobi at his mercy. Point is for Maul.

Maul is that good and you always go on abut rage amps but Kenobi lost both times he had one. He wasn't angry anymore and caught an arrogant maul off guard.

Yes, they are since Dooku wasn't fast enough. His slow movement is directly stated as a huge problem. Perfect.

Prove it. Kenobi beat Vader, dummy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galse.

I never said he wasn't hurt but my point is he still had Kenobi at his mercy. Vader never had Kenobi at his mercy. Point is for Maul.

Maul is that good and you always go on abut rage amps but Kenobi lost both times he had one. He wasn't angry anymore and caught an arrogant maul off guard.

Yes, they are since Dooku wasn't fast enough. His slow movement is directly stated as a huge problem. Perfect.

Prove it. Kenobi beat Vader, dummy.

Galse? 😂 😂

Oh well, he should have seized his opportunity, because he didn't maul got bisected. Where does Vader come into play? 😂 Stay on task sir.

He bisected maul so that's a win for Kenobi. I'll admit he lost the second time though. He wasn't off guard. Off guard isn't you see them attempting to pull a move, then they jump over you and take a second and slash. That's just you being stupid.

Prove it. Prove that his "slowness" was a problem. He has shown great speed.

Kenobi beating Vader wasn't a show of skill, just tactical thinking. By that I mean the end result. It took great skill to get to that point however. However the facts are that Anakin is greater than Kenobi as a duelist. Those are the facts. Another fact is that Dooku can handle opponents who are stronger than him, and can handle youth as he has done on several occasions. Dooku isnt one of the best duelist of the mythos for nothing.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Galse? 😂 😂

Oh well, he should have seized his opportunity, because he didn't maul got bisected. Where does Vader come into play? 😂 Stay on task sir.

He bisected maul so that's a win for Kenobi. I'll admit he lost the second time though. He wasn't off guard. Off guard isn't you see them attempting to pull a move, then they jump over you and take a second and slash. That's just you being stupid.

Prove it. Prove that his "slowness" was a problem. He has shown great speed.

Kenobi beating Vader wasn't a show of skill, just tactical thinking. By that I mean the end result. It took great skill to get to that point however. However the facts are that Anakin is greater than Kenobi as a duelist. Those are the facts. Another fact is that Dooku can handle opponents who are stronger than him, and can handle youth as he has done on several occasions. Dooku isnt one of the best duelist of the mythos for nothing.

My point stands that he had the advantage which Anakin never had against Kenobi.

He was caught off guard because he wasn't ready. It was due to his own arrogance but it's better than jumping when Kenobi is telling you not to. That's utter stupidity

Read the Vos page. Canon.

It was skill that had then at a stalemate and had Kenobi in the better position. Anakin lost making it all the more terrible. He also got shown up by Ventress with Kenobi so he's pathetic.

Dooku was shitting bricks over Opress. The guy was scared of him. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was a typo for you since your posts are littered with hatting mistakes.

My point stands that he had the advantage which Anakin never had against Kenobi.

He was caught off guard because he wasn't ready. It was due to his own arrogance but it's better than jumping when Kenobi is telling you not to. That's utter stupidity

Read the Vos page. Canon.

It was skill that had then at a stalemate and had Kenobi in the better position. Anakin lost making it all the more terrible. He also got shown up by Ventress with Kenobi so he's pathetic.

Dooku was shitting bricks over Opress. The guy was scared of him. 😂

Oh please don't make mistakes on my account. 😂

Shame he didn't seize it when he had the chance?

I don't really don't care about Anakin. Both show some level of,stupidity but Anakin's was worse.

I've read Dark Disciple. I'm under the impression you haven't though. You haven't shown any evidence that Dooku was slow just because he lost. You need proof. Show your proof.

Tactical thinking. We've already discussed this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh please don't make mistakes on my account. 😂

Shame he didn't seize it when he had the chance?

I don't really don't care about Anakin. Both show some level of,stupidity but Anakin's was worse.

I've read Dark Disciple. I'm under the impression you haven't though. You haven't shown any evidence that Dooku was slow just because he lost. You need proof. Show your proof.

Tactical thinking. We've already discussed this.

He survived nonetheless and later spared Kenobi.

Concession accepted. I've seen the scan. Dooku was too slow for no .

Anakin lacked the skill to pull off the feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was me mocking you.

He survived nonetheless and later spared Kenobi.

Concession accepted. I've seen the scan. Dooku was too slow for no .

Anakin lacked the skill to pull off the feat.

Not doing a very good job as always.

Kenobi showed to be his equal.

Where's is this scan? Show your proof Dooku is slow. There are plenty of quotes saying the exact opposite.

No just the tactical positioning. Only very few other people could have pulled that off and due to special circumstances.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Not doing a very good job as always.

Kenobi showed to be his equal.

Where's is this scan? Show your proof Dooku is slow. There are plenty of quotes saying the exact opposite.

No just the tactical positioning. Only very few other people could have pulled that off and due to special circumstances.

No, he was always lesser than Maul.

Not against Vos.

So you admit he lacked the skill but others didn't. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is hard to get the point across when you can't even tell when you're being mocked.

No, he was always lesser than Maul.

Not against Vos.

So you admit he lacked the skill but others didn't. 😂

Of course I can tell. That just means you're not doing a good job. Also mocking isn't apart of the debating process. 😂 It could also mean that I simply don't care. You do it to everyone from actual people to fictional characters, so why should I honestly care?

If he was then why was Kenobi able to stalemate him.

Just showed Vos was faster. It even says in the novel that Dooku was fast, but Vos,was faster. Read the novel.

I mean people like Yoda due to his small size, or possibly Windu due to Shatterpoint, or Sidious due to his amazing power. Special circumstances.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of course I can tell. That just means you're not doing a good job. Also mocking isn't apart of the debating process. 😂 It could also mean that I simply don't care. You do it to everyone from actual people to fictional characters, so why should I honestly care?

If he was then why was Kenobi able to stalemate him.

Just showed Vos was faster. It even says in the novel that Dooku was fast, but Vos,was faster. Read the novel.

I mean people like Yoda due to his small size, or possibly Windu due to Shatterpoint, or Sidious due to his amazing power. Special circumstances.

So by comparison Dooku is slow just like when compared to Maul.

You already conceded others have the skill. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi never stalemated Maul.

Nope, he beat him and his brother together.

You want me to Quote Filoni confirming that for you?

You know the Same Filoni who you claim can't be argued with?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi never stalemated Maul.

So by comparison Dooku is slow just like when compared to Maul.

You already conceded others have the skill. 😂

https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74 Up to 1:44 Then he preceded to fight evenly with Maul and savage with one saber

When he got the rage boost in TPM.

Slower, not slow. Someone who is slow can't contend with Yoda.

Others have special circumstances. Learn the difference.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
https://youtu.be/aE_CVWMWK74 Up to 1:44 Then he preceded to fight evenly with Maul and savage with one saber

When he got the rage boost in TPM.

Slower, not slow. Someone who is slow can't contend with Yoda.

Others have special circumstances. Learn the difference.

Dooku left. If he was quick enough he wouldn't have fled. Yoda is superior. You undermined your points.

Others have greater skill. That's the point. You don't grasp the meaning of words.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was bfrd at the end for a loss. 😂

Dooku left. If he was quick enough he wouldn't have fled. Yoda is superior. You undermined your points.

Others have greater skill. That's the point. You don't grasp the meaning of words.

So you ignore that he was able to stalemate him and his brother at the same time, and maul by himself. Great.

I never said Dooku was on Yoda's level, I just said he could contend as seen in the movie.

No that's not the point. That was a tactical position that only very few could ever get past, if any.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nope, he beat him and his brother together.

You want me to Quote Filoni confirming that for you?

You know the Same Filoni who you claim can't be argued with?

Do it.