Dooku vs. Maul

Originally posted by quanchi112
1)writer >actor since the writers decide what happens the actors act it out, kid.

2). Irony

3). Abc logic and one on one Anakin crushed him.

4). Abc logic fail.

5). Windu, Sidious, pre vizsla, and superior speed.

6). Anakin is no Maul but he did kill weakling Dooku.

7). Maul has defeated Kenobi and you lie.

8). Faster, stronger, more aggressive.

9). Vos showed off how slow Dooku is. Canon.

10). Maui isn't dead Dooku is. Weak.

Writer of a C-Canon material versus the actor of the G-Canon movie who had to know his character. Actor defintily better. Lee would have the ability to talk to Lucas about his character. Lee is defiantly more valid than this author who speciffacly said this was just his opinion.

3) It's common sense Actaully. Again after how many tries?

4) Where is the ABC logic there. I just showed you an isn't mace where Dooku was being overwhelmed and he resorted to his of red powers. That's a concession again.

5) How is that proof, you just listed a bunch of names.

6) No Anakin is just better than Maul as canocially proven and so is Dooku. he also deflected the fast and aggressive strikes from General Grevious and even disarmed him.

7) With having what a 2v1 advantage and rage boost, and even then Kenobi basically stalemated him.

8) Faater No. Stronger, debatable since Dooku was able to sustain the assaults of Grevious, Opress, Yoda, and Anakina need Obi at one time, Quin Lin Vos, Sora Bulq, Tholme, and many others. Dooku can handle aggressive strikes as seen in the movies and TCW.

9) That just shows how good Vos was. Also have you read the book? I remember seeing somewhere you said you haven't read it yet?

10) Dooku went down like a champ at the hands of a champ. Maul went down like a pussy, lost his mom, his army, and lost to a padawan. Now that's weak.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Writer of a C-Canon material versus the actor of the G-Canon movie who had to know his character. Actor defintily better. Lee would have the ability to talk to Lucas about his character. Lee is defiantly more valid than this author who speciffacly said this was just his opinion.

3) It's common sense Actaully. Again after how many tries?

4) Where is the ABC logic there. I just showed you an isn't mace where Dooku was being overwhelmed and he resorted to his of red powers. That's a concession again.

5) How is that proof, you just listed a bunch of names.

6) No Anakin is just better than Maul as canocially proven and so is Dooku. he also deflected the fast and aggressive strikes from General Grevious and even disarmed him.

7) With having what a 2v1 advantage and rage boost, and even then Kenobi basically stalemated him.

8) Faater No. Stronger, debatable since Dooku was able to sustain the assaults of Grevious, Opress, Yoda, and Anakina need Obi at one time, Quin Lin Vos, Sora Bulq, Tholme, and many others. Dooku can handle aggressive strikes as seen in the movies and TCW.

9) That just shows how good Vos was. Also have you read the book? I remember seeing somewhere you said you haven't read it yet?

10) Dooku went down like a champ at the hands of a champ. Maul went down like a pussy, lost his mom, his army, and lost to a padawan. Now that's weak.

3). Who cares ? He waxed him. Easily.

4). So you don't know what abc logic means.

5). His feats of combat with them.

6). Based on what ? Kenobi bested him so abc logic right back at ya.

7). Kenobi lost when he had a rage boost. You need to quit using double standards.

8). Dooku went down to anakin and was embarrassed by Vos. Maul exploits his slow reactions as I proclaimed.

9). Someone poster the page and I kept it how he showed how much faster he was. Embarrassing.

10). Dooku went down confused and without uttering a word. He was used and died like a true lackey without being none the wiser. Maul lived on despite Sheev's contempt for him. Mauls his own maul unlike Dooku.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is all canon and those ratings are gone since the eu is gone, kiddo. An actor playing a role's opinion isn't a fact and carries little weight. You don't even believe Dooku is the most skilled.

3). Who cares ? He waxed him. Easily.

4). So you don't know what abc logic means.

5). His feats of combat with them.

6). Based on what ? Kenobi bested him so abc logic right back at ya.

7). Kenobi lost when he had a rage boost. You need to quit using double standards.

8). Dooku went down to anakin and was embarrassed by Vos. Maul exploits his slow reactions as I proclaimed.

9). Someone poster the page and I kept it how he showed how much faster he was. Embarrassing.

10). Dooku went down confused and without uttering a word. He was used and died like a true lackey without being none the wiser. Maul lived on despite Sheev's contempt for him. Mauls his own maul unlike Dooku.

So by that logic SOD has just as much control over Darth Maul as TPM even though on is more powerful than the other. It carri s more weight than the opinion of a writer. He's defintily the most refined Duelsit. That's most likely what lee meant.

3) After how many tries. Last battle he needed a boost, so whatever it is, it wasn't easily. Dooku was taking him and Obi wan down. Even with that boost Dooku was able to take his power blows, and only loss due to a finesse move. So your claim has little merit since Anakin had a boost after a number of tries.

4) It not in this point. No one is saying anyone is greater than the other so they must be greater in this point. The point is Dooku fought an opponent and once he was pressured he turned it to a force powers where Anakin would lose and he could get away.

5) He fought Windu for an unspecified amount of time, and only had one motion. If that's the case Dooku has also fought Windu during the clone wars and was able to contend or stalemate even though the time was unspecified. Dooku lasted longer agaisnt Yoda then Maul did against Sidious, and Dooku didn't even have help and just came off fighting Obi wan and Anakin, and Yoda came to him and he challenged Yoda, while maul cowered in fear. Dooku has fought several people superior to vizla. So really your points with those names are? He doesn't have superior speed. If Dooku can contend with Yoda, maul is no problem.

6) The fact that Nick Guillard the stunt coordinator says that Anakin is a 9 and Obi is an 8. Maul based on showings is about equal to Kenobi and we see he's no match for Sidious so he isn't a 9. He's about equal to Obi wan so he's an 8 realisticly. Also Obi never beat Anakin through skill so it doesn't matter. You can't even use ABC logic right.

7) He actually showed to be his equal with that rage boost. He disamred him of one of his blades and fought as equals with him until maul used his force powers which isn't bad it just shows Kenobi could contend and stalemate him. What double standards?

8) So now you're more of an idiot than previously thought. Anakin is canocially better in almost all areas than Dooku so that's really not much Dooku can do about that. Vos had a massive rage boost and gained speed that just surpassed the counts. Even Anakin didn't display superior speed in that battle, and Dooku was able to contend with Anakins strength. Maul isn't doing anything to the Count.

9) So being faster than Dooku is embarrassing to Dooku? He can't be that fast. However he has contended with faster duelist and survived. Maul must be humiliated, since Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin, etc are faster than him.

10) Dooku did that to show he wouldn't beg for,his life as per the wishes of Christopher Lee. Maul is a child compared to Dooku.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

8. Overall better feats

Originally posted by quanchi112

8. Untrue.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

8) Based on? What feats does maul have to compete agaisnt Dooku?

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]

8). I have answered this too many times.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2

8) no you haven't.You've just said he's physically better which Dooku has already shown he can defend and win agaisnt.

Originally posted by quanchi112

8). Faster, stronger, more aggressive.

😂

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
9) Older yes. Slower hell no. Dooku has shown greater speeds than Maul, and is described as faster than Kenobi who is own maul level.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?

It's either ATOC or the fake out Kenobi gave him in ROTS that made Kenobi look slower

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by that logic SOD has just as much control over Darth Maul as TPM even though on is more powerful than the other. It carri s more weight than the opinion of a writer. He's defintily the most refined Duelsit. That's most likely what lee meant.

3) After how many tries. Last battle he needed a boost, so whatever it is, it wasn't easily. Dooku was taking him and Obi wan down. Even with that boost Dooku was able to take his power blows, and only loss due to a finesse move. So your claim has little merit since Anakin had a boost after a number of tries.

4) It not in this point. No one is saying anyone is greater than the other so they must be greater in this point. The point is Dooku fought an opponent and once he was pressured he turned it to a force powers where Anakin would lose and he could get away.

5) He fought Windu for an unspecified amount of time, and only had one motion. If that's the case Dooku has also fought Windu during the clone wars and was able to contend or stalemate even though the time was unspecified. Dooku lasted longer agaisnt Yoda then Maul did against Sidious, and Dooku didn't even have help and just came off fighting Obi wan and Anakin, and Yoda came to him and he challenged Yoda, while maul cowered in fear. Dooku has fought several people superior to vizla. So really your points with those names are? He doesn't have superior speed. If Dooku can contend with Yoda, maul is no problem.

6) The fact that Nick Guillard the stunt coordinator says that Anakin is a 9 and Obi is an 8. Maul based on showings is about equal to Kenobi and we see he's no match for Sidious so he isn't a 9. He's about equal to Obi wan so he's an 8 realisticly. Also Obi never beat Anakin through skill so it doesn't matter. You can't even use ABC logic right.

7) He actually showed to be his equal with that rage boost. He disamred him of one of his blades and fought as equals with him until maul used his force powers which isn't bad it just shows Kenobi could contend and stalemate him. What double standards?

8) So now you're more of an idiot than previously thought. Anakin is canocially better in almost all areas than Dooku so that's really not much Dooku can do about that. Vos had a massive rage boost and gained speed that just surpassed the counts. Even Anakin didn't display superior speed in that battle, and Dooku was able to contend with Anakins strength. Maul isn't doing anything to the Count.

9) So being faster than Dooku is embarrassing to Dooku? He can't be that fast. However he has contended with faster duelist and survived. Maul must be humiliated, since Sidious, Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin, etc are faster than him.

10) Dooku did that to show he wouldn't beg for,his life as per the wishes of Christopher Lee. Maul is a child compared to Dooku.

3). Dooku provided the boost. He's stupid and dead.

4). Speculation.

5). Sidious beat Yoda. It took him some time to wear down Maul who kicked him. Dooku wouldn't dare and was easily force choked by Sidious. Pathetic.

6). Kenobi won and the stunt guy just has an opinion. Movies showed us differently.

7). Kenobi admitted he couldn't best him with a. Rage boost. You don't look at rage in some showings but act like it does t count in other showings.

8). As I said Dooku lacks,power and speed. Maul wins as Vos and Anakin did.

9). Speculate nonsense and Sidious can best Dooku by force choking. 😂

10). Sidious begged for his life. Dooku died like a good little yes man. Rest in hell, coward.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?

Do you believe in respect threads? I do have a quote in Dooku's respect thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer >actor.

3). Dooku provided the boost. He's stupid and dead.

4). Speculation.

5). Sidious beat Yoda. It took him some time to wear down Maul who kicked him. Dooku wouldn't dare and was easily force choked by Sidious. Pathetic.

6). Kenobi won and the stunt guy just has an opinion. Movies showed us differently.

7). Kenobi admitted he couldn't best him with a. Rage boost. You don't look at rage in some showings but act like it does t count in other showings.

8). As I said Dooku lacks,power and speed. Maul wins as Vos and Anakin did.

9). Speculate nonsense and Sidious can best Dooku by force choking. 😂

10). Sidious begged for his life. Dooku died like a good little yes man. Rest in hell, coward.

Based on?

3) So you concede that if he didn't have the boost the battle woudl have ended differently.

4) So basing something off of a battle, in fact two battles and common sense is speculation? Are you sure you know what the word speculation means?

5) So now you're saying that Maul's performance against Sidious is anything Yoda did. First of all at least Yoda was able to disarm Sidious. Yoda is at least a rival in skill and force power. Yoda doesn't need a partner to contend. The two instances aren't comparable. Yoda did way better than maul. Maul was easily TK'd agaisnt a wall, what are you talking about? Now that's pathetic.

6. The stunt guys opinions are taken as just general facts. Especially when something like that. He says Anakin is a 9. He says Obi is an 8. Anakin greater than Obi. If it were the reverse he woudl retract his statement, but he didn't.

7) Where did he admit he couldn't beat him? Put them in a pure saber contest and Obi would be his equal. I don't discount it. It just one of those things that can be used both ways. When the person I'm rooting for lost due to a rage amp, it help me because I know that person couldn't have beaten them without a rage boost. You can figure out the opposite. I acknowledge it, just different according to the situation.

8) As you've said yes. You've said that many times. You've made that same BS claim with no proof. Now show proof or this point is another concession.

9) Actaully they are faster. Sidious and Yoda re about equal speed and each have been shown to be able to move faster than Maul. Mace had Vaapad and is naturally better. Same with Dooku. Anakin when in the zone is also faster.

10) Sidious was faking all that as stated in the commentary of ROTS. So maul loses to a yes man. Nice to know. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not that I disagree that Dooku>Maul, but do you have a quote for that?

The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader states something like "Kenobi moved fast, but Dooku moved faster" regarding their ROTS fight.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Based on?

3) So you concede that if he didn't have the boost the battle woudl have ended differently.

4) So basing something off of a battle, in fact two battles and common sense is speculation? Are you sure you know what the word speculation means?

5) So now you're saying that Maul's performance against Sidious is anything Yoda did. First of all at least Yoda was able to disarm Sidious. Yoda is at least a rival in skill and force power. Yoda doesn't need a partner to contend. The two instances aren't comparable. Yoda did way better than maul. Maul was easily TK'd agaisnt a wall, what are you talking about? Now that's pathetic.

6. The stunt guys opinions are taken as just general facts. Especially when something like that. He says Anakin is a 9. He says Obi is an 8. Anakin greater than Obi. If it were the reverse he woudl retract his statement, but he didn't.

7) Where did he admit he couldn't beat him? Put them in a pure saber contest and Obi would be his equal. I don't discount it. It just one of those things that can be used both ways. When the person I'm rooting for lost due to a rage amp, it help me because I know that person couldn't have beaten them without a rage boost. You can figure out the opposite. I acknowledge it, just different according to the situation.

8) As you've said yes. You've said that many times. You've made that same BS claim with no proof. Now show proof or this point is another concession.

9) Actaully they are faster. Sidious and Yoda re about equal speed and each have been shown to be able to move faster than Maul. Mace had Vaapad and is naturally better. Same with Dooku. Anakin when in the zone is also faster.

10) Sidious was faking all that as stated in the commentary of ROTS. So maul loses to a yes man. Nice to know. Concession accepted.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.

6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man.

@EmperorSidious2

Stop this, that's pointless. He's worse then K.Thanosi.

Originally posted by McP
@EmperorSidious2

Stop this, that's pointless. He's worse then K.Thanosi.

Well:

1. Yoda - like it or not - was Sidious' equal. More or less. Most of people here will agree. Excluding you. Sidious won only because they haven't fought on neutral ground.

2. There is no way, that Maul was faster then Dooku. He could be stronger, he had superior stamina. But Dooku is confirmed as Kenobi's superior in term's of speed (Rise and Fall of DV and their last encounter in TCW - Dooku nearly stomped Kenobi - Maul's equal - physically).

3. Mace's superiority over Palpatine is the same kind of fact, that TPM Kenobi's superiority to Maul. We can also assume, that Maul wasn't fast enoguh to cut Obi (like Obi did to Anakin on Mustafar). Most of people here understood Sidious' and Yoda's superiority over Mace (excluding some Vaapad/Juyo fanbous, like you, Thanosi or Juyomaster) just as they understood TPM Maul's superioryty over TPM Kenobi. But in your own logic, TPM Kenobi > TPM Maul is a fact.

There are far more things, but you have to excuse me, I'm a bit drunk and I'm not in a shape to read whole discussion.

I - or none else - will change your interpretation of "facts". The same "facts" are BS for most of us all. We all can have disagreements about guys from different eras, but none will have as much disagreements between guys from the same era. Except people like you, Thanos or Juyomaster. People that assume that Mace is best, Vader and Dooku are pathetic, Yoda is clearly inferior to Sidious, Maul above Dooku/Vader, perhaps Kenobi above them too (at least as duelist). Ah, and that Anakin is inferior to all of them.

Originally posted by McP
Well:

1. Yoda - like it or not - was Sidious' equal. More or less. Most of people here will agree. Excluding you. Sidious won only because they haven't fought on neutral ground.

2. There is no way, that Maul was faster then Dooku. He could be stronger, he had superior stamina. But Dooku is confirmed as Kenobi's superior in term's of speed (Rise and Fall of DV and their last encounter in TCW - Dooku nearly stomped Kenobi - Maul's equal - physically).

3. Mace's superiority over Palpatine is the same kind of fact, that TPM Kenobi's superiority to Maul. We can also assume, that Maul wasn't fast enoguh to cut Obi (like Obi did to Anakin on Mustafar). Most of people here understood Sidious' and Yoda's superiority over Mace (excluding some Vaapad/Juyo fanbous, like you, Thanosi or Juyomaster) just as they understood TPM Maul's superioryty over TPM Kenobi. But in your own logic, TPM Kenobi > TPM Maul is a [b]fact.

There are far more things, but you have to excuse me, I'm a bit drunk and I'm not in a shape to read whole discussion.

I - or none else - will change your interpretation of "facts". The same "facts" are BS for most of us all. We all can have disagreements about guys from different eras, but none will have as much disagreements between guys from the same era. Except people like you, Thanos or Juyomaster. People that assume that Mace is best, Vader and Dooku are pathetic, Yoda is clearly inferior to Sidious, Maul above Dooku/Vader, perhaps Kenobi above them too (at least as duelist). Ah, and that Anakin is inferior to all of them. [/B]

2). We see on screen that isn't the case. He doesn't move faster he just has higher skill and greater force powers. That's why he beat Kenobi. Movement wise he's slower.

3). Maul stood by shocked after he defeated him skill wise. Mace won. Yoda didn't. Those are the facts. Yoda was also disarmed by fl while mace wasn't.

You are saying you go by the facts but in fact it's some twisted delusional group mentality here avoiding the facts and changing the narrative with coulda, woulda, shouldas.

Dooku is far faster then Kenobi, which might be seen in their last encounter in TCW - a canon material. Anyway, as I said - a debate between us would be pointless, so that's all. You don't have to answer me.

Originally posted by McP
Dooku is far faster then Kenobi, which might be seen in their last encounter in TCW - a canon material. Anyway, as I said - a debate between us would be pointless, so that's all. You don't have to answer me.

Man, the way how do you living is nothing that I would care for. I don't care at all. I just said to you, that that's pintless for you to answer me, becasue I'm not even interested in reading your answers. That's my last response for you, do what you want.

Dooku outmanuvered them in 2v1 fight. He overhelmed them in saberlock, which thrown them off-balance and let him to kick/break their Force-guards. He had easier time againt them both at once, then against only Anakin, who was boosted by his anger. Kenobi wasn't much of a threat for Count Dooku.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer decides what happens the actor doesn't, kid.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.

6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Writer decides what happens the actor doesn't, kid.

3). Speculation. We do know what did happen and the facts won't change.

4). Common sense isn't common in you. That's the problem, kid.

5). Yoda did better but he lost as well. Saying what Dooku did is irrelevant.

6). No, that's just his opinion just as the writer of dathomir has his own opinion. Not a fact, kid.

7). In the episode. Watch it again, noob. Maul is better.

8). His movements compared to Dooku's.

9). Based on ? Kenobi kept up just fine with Anakin unlike with Maul.

10). Feigning after stating he'd kill Windu. He needed to beg to get anakin to feel sympathy and manipulate him. Maul crushes the yes man.

Actually the actor does have some say in their characters skill set in some sort of way. Enough to where Lee was able to go on a commentary and say Dooku was the greatest Duelsit in the galaxy. This writer had a quota to fill. He hasn't given any evidence any way for maul beating Dooku.

3) So the facts that once Dooku changed it to a force duel when he's getting overwhelmed. I agree. Concession accepted.

4) Apparently so since I can actually use it to get to logical conclusions while you can't. Concession accepted here aswell.

5) So you destroy your own point sinc here in this point I had no mention of Dooku while you did. So with that Sidious choking Dooku is irrelevant. Concession accepted.

6) Nah. When the stunt guy says it, it's pretty much the established fact. If you go to any poster here, there going to say he's a 9 and Obi is an 8. That's just the fact. The writer explicitly stated it was his opinion. See the difference?

7) After being injured and thrown around and after guess what, kicking him around and knocking him about. He was then off balanced so he was fighting pretty equally.

8) That's not proof. That's your own interpretation which isn't proof. I can show you showings where Dooku moves faster, but that's my own interpretation which isn't fact. You need actual proof. Your interpretation isn't fact so not proof.

9) Kenobi had a number of factors to help him in that battle. Also where wasn't Kenobi keeping up with Maul. You need to see the episode where Kenobi is spinning circles around the brothers, kicking maul and savage, and cuts off savages arm.

10) Lucas says he was faking so it doesn't matter what you think. It was all apart of his plan. Still waiting on the proof for that.