Lord Scourge vs Savage Opress

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vowrawn is the exception. He makes up for his lack of personal ability with political and manipulative genius and by surrounding himself with bodyguards. Numerous sources state that the position of the Dark Council requires one to face immense hardship and only the most powerful Sith last very long at all. In fact, contrary to your assertion, it's directly stated that the Sith on the council are among the most powerful Sith in the Empire.

Originally posted by Sinious
Also, it specifically says, "Even the most powerful members of the Dark Council" so I'm pretty sure Vowrawn is irrelevant here. 👆

Yeah, and even the most powerful of the Dark Council fear Imperial Guards. Is every member of the Imperial Guard also superior to Savage, Sinious or DMB? There's no indication that Vowrawn isn't considered powerful for that matter either, or his placement in power relative to everyone else.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
People are on the Dark Council for weeks at a time, and you expect me to believe that Vowrawn is literally the only one of his relative level that uses his head to stay alive? Complete and utter bullshit, Neph, and you know it.

People are on the Dark Council for weeks because the competition is that tough (or you know, war happens). I said that Vowrawn was the exception, not that he's some unparalleled genius. I'm sure that every few generations theres someone who can play the game well enough to survive on guile alone, but they are not the norm. The overwhelming majority of the council is made up of the most powerful Sith alive.

Also, Vowrawn has contended with a number of conflicts from schemes to surprise attacks. He's formidable in his own right.

Originally posted by Nephthys
People are on the Dark Council for weeks because the competition is that tough (or you know, war happens). I said that Vowrawn was the exception, not that he's some unparalleled genius. I'm sure that every few generations theres someone who can play the game well enough to survive on guile alone, but they are not the norm. The overwhelming majority of the council is made up of the most powerful Sith alive.

Also, Vowrawn has contended with a number of conflicts from schemes to surprise attacks. He's formidable in his own right.

Tbh the DC is overrated aside from a few notable members, sure they are the most powerful in the Empire. ....But how exactly is that impressive? More powerful compared to...who exactly and what would those guys show that would be considered a wow factor?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except we know that quite a bit of them are not, and they die on a consistent basis. They live because they play the game AND perpetuate a since of superiority, but they are not inherently more powerful than their underlings just because they are on the Dark Council.

Not really, they die constantly to Swtor protags or Vitiate. Thats not a mark against them. Also "quite a bit are not?" We've seen two who aren't that strong and one of them was just weakened from age and used to be massively powerful. When we see a DC members abilities they're usually very, very strong.

And since statements do say that the DC are the most powerful Sith then yeah actually, it's a safe assumption that they're more powerful than their underlings. It might not be 100% certain, but being on the DC is strong evidence for a Sith to be an immensely powerful badass.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
But them being powerful wasn't even the claim being made.The claim being made is that because the Dark Council has a fear of Scourge, he must be comparable to Savage. Which isn't true, because going by that logic, Cipher Nine is comparable to Savage. If Scourge is going to defeat Savage, it will have to be on his own merit, and by that I mean proven showings, not the opinion of randoms in TOR.

Well like Dmb is trying to bring to attention, it's actually that even the most powerful among the council fear him. Which is certainly more impressive that you're giving it credit for. Also, don't be silly. No-one is solely relying upon just that piece of evidence to indicate Scourge > Savage. It's simply the topic under discussion. It's reductive to act like thats all Scourge has going for him.

Also Cipher 9 probably is comparable to Savage honestly.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And he still gets oneshotted by someone who is probably below Scourge.

A few minutes before Draagh gets killed by Vowrawns ally, yeah.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, and even the most powerful of the Dark Council fear Imperial Guards. Is every member of the Imperial Guard also superior to Savage, Sinious or DMB? There's no indication that Vowrawn isn't considered powerful for that matter either, or his placement in power relative to everyone else.

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Exactly! The Imperial Guard is feared as an organization, not on individual level.

Well some are on an individual level. Like that one dude who'd killed a dozen Sith Lords.

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Yes, members of the Imperial Guard are among the best warriors in the galaxy.

If a single member of the Imperial Guard can give a Yoda-tier Force-user a pause, imagine a dozen of them swarming a single opponent. Nobody stands a chance against large groups of them with conventional means.

You mean, other than the Hero of Tython.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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Yes, members of the Imperial Guard are among the best warriors in the galaxy.

If a single member of the Imperial Guard can give a Yoda-tier Force-user a pause, imagine a dozen of them swarming a single opponent. Nobody stands a chance against large groups of them with conventional means.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really, they die constantly to Swtor protags or Vitiate. Thats not a mark against them. Also "quite a bit are not?" We've seen two who aren't that strong and one of them was just weakened from age and used to be massively powerful. When we see a DC members abilities they're usually very, very strong.

And since statements do say that the DC are the most powerful Sith then yeah actually, it's a safe assumption that they're more powerful than their underlings. It might not be 100% certain, but being on the DC is strong evidence for a Sith to be an immensely powerful badass.

Well like Dmb is trying to bring to attention, it's actually that even the most powerful among the council fear him. Which is certainly more impressive that you're giving it credit for. Also, don't be silly. No-one is solely relying upon just that piece of evidence to indicate Scourge > Savage. It's simply the topic under discussion. It's reductive to act like thats all Scourge has going for him.

Also Cipher 9 probably is comparable to Savage honestly.

A few minutes before Draagh gets killed by Vowrawns ally, yeah. [/B]

🤨 Uh....Guards giving Yoda-tiers pause?....Riight....no.

Also if dozens of them have to swarm a single opponent that's just laughable.

But then again, they weren't entirely bright as they ran straight into a wall of blaster fire soo...I wouldn't put it passed them to do that.

Scourge eats Imperial Guards for breakfast tbh.

Originally posted by Zenwolf

But then again, they weren't entirely bright as they ran straight into a wall of blaster fire soo...I wouldn't put it passed them to do that.

Originally posted by Sinious
Scourge eats Imperial Guards for breakfast tbh.

More like Drew isn't bright.

Why not both?

Cause they're confirmed to be the opposite of that.

Originally posted by Sinious
Cause they're confirmed to be the opposite of that.

Where tho? Never seen anything to note in regarding their tact capability. Just that they were in top form, feared by Sith Lords(which at times I have a hard time believing, except martial wise) and taken from troopers and slaves.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Vat?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
🤨 Uh....Guards giving Yoda-tiers pause?....Riight....no.

I am pointing a finger towards Revan.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Also if dozens of them have to swarm a single opponent that's just laughable.

But then again, they weren't entirely bright as they ran straight into a wall of blaster fire soo...I wouldn't put it passed them to do that.