Originally posted by Sinious
So you, even before SoR came out, let alone SoR or Ziost or KOTFE, believed that Vitiate > DE Sidious was very possible but right now you think Plagueis > Valkorion can be a thing? Well, okay then.
Emphasis mine. Two highlighted words that illustrate, why Neph is...
a)...not wrong.
b)...smarter than you.
Not that I haven't known that before. 😉
Originally posted by Sinious
I specifically used those words to make my point, buddy. DE Sidious is much higher than TPM Sidious and someone on DE Sids level shouldn't lose a majority to TPM Sidious if they lose at all.Not really a valuable observation. Try harder. 👆
Erm.
You do realize, that Plagueis probably is more powerful than TPM Sidious? Just asking.
In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.
The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Sidious served for many decades as the apprentice of Darth Plagueis, learning diligently at the feet of his Master. Once he possessed all of Plagueis' secrets, he retired him.
Source: Insider #88: Heritage of the Sith
After Plagueis dies the narrator notes there is a gravitic shift in the force towards Palpatine in the prologue of the novel.
Disintegrating a dozen armored fighters while massively wounded, punching through armored torso's, moving faster than a droids perception, defeating a superior martial combatant through his force connection, midichlorian manipulation. I dunno, read the respect thread.
One could certainly make the argument. I'm not dismissing the possibility as retarded. That's for the unimaginative.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Disintegrating a dozen armored fighters while massively wounded,
His best feat, no doubt.
Originally posted by Nephthys
punching through armored torso's,
Plagueis has mad stremph, indeed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
moving faster than a droids perception,
Revan! Scourge has done this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
defeating a superior martial combatant through his force connection,
Vitiate does this in every single fight he's ever been part of, against much more impressive teams/foes.
Originally posted by Nephthys
midichlorian manipulation.
Impressive in terms of knowledge/discovery/mastery, but hardly indicative of his strength in the force, especially compared to someone like Valkorion.
Plagueis has his share of very, very impressive feats, no doubt, but Valkorion's blow his so far out of the water, it's not even comparable. I give Plagueis the benefit of the doubt certainly, he's in my top 5 or 3 Sith. But on showings alone, there's no way that what he's done compares to Valkorion.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Vitiate does this in every single fight he's ever been part of, against much more impressive teams/foes.
I meant in lightsaber combat. Venamis was a better duelist than him yet Plagueis still managed to beat him because he's just that good.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Impressive in terms of knowledge/discovery/mastery, but hardly indicative of his strength in the force, especially compared to someone like Valkorion.
What if Plagueis used it to kill him though? It's not like Vitiate has a response to that.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Plagueis has his share of very, very impressive feats, no doubt, but Valkorion's blow his so far out of the water, it's not even comparable. I give Plagueis the benefit of the doubt certainly, he's in my top 5 or 3 Sith. But on showings alone, there's no way that what he's done compares to Valkorion.
I'm not saying that Plaguies' force feats are as good as Vitiates, just that I can see a plausible scenario for him winning. Plagueis attacks Vitiate with his saber. Sure, Vitiate can block it, but with Plagueis' monster-strength and speed it wouldn't exactly be easy. And unlike Arcann, Plagueis isn't gonna get pimp-slapped. With his comparable level of power, Valkorion would need a lengthy force battle to batter Plagueis into submission, all which the latter is battering him into submission as well. Eventually Plagueis just tanks and spanks him.
If Plagueis is in your top 3 or 5 then I don't see why you think theres such a gap between them that Plagueis gets owned. That's ****in' retarded bro.