Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah I suppose special effects haven't reached that level yet where they can depict combat at super speed 😬
Except I'm 99% sure it was confirmed that they massively slowed down the combat speeds of the prequels and even TCW for obvious viewer reasons.
I imagine Lucas' original vision of Jedi reflexes is far better resembled in OCW and the movie novels.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Except I'm 99% sure it was confirmed that they massively slowed down the combat speeds of the prequels and even TCW for obvious viewer reasons.I imagine Lucas' original vision of Jedi reflexes is far better resembled in OCW and the movie novels.
Slowed down for the movies is one thing. I know Darth Sidious vs Mace Windu wasn't as slow as depicted by Ian and Sam. They wanted to go Practical for the Saber fights in the movies. I get that.
However there's no excuse for TCW.
In any case, going from what we've been shown to "they do hundreds of moves in 1 second" is just seriously stretching, especially given people like Pre-Vizsla going toe to toe with the likes of Darth Maul.
Smallville used to depict that sort of speed all the time, so I don't see why at least TCW couldn't. Well actually I know why. Because Jedi/Sith simply aren't that fast. I mean they are fast, but Spider-Man or Blade type fast. Not Flash, Quicksilver or Superman type fast, which is what people are suggesting with entire fights happening in under a second.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your mistake is in assuming Lucas is a talented director.
He is. People b**** about him using too much CGI, then they b**** more when he goes practical for the Saber fights.
In any case my point rests on more than just the live action movie. There was also TCW. And there's the Cut Scenes from the Games as well.
Originally posted by Darth ThorLol, Force sensitives of their caliber are supposed to move too fast for the standard human eye to see.
Slowed down for the movies is one thing. I know Darth Sidious vs Mace Windu wasn't as slow as depicted by Ian and Sam. They wanted to go Practical for the Saber fights in the movies. I get that.However there's no excuse for TCW.
In any case, going from what we've been shown to "they do hundreds of moves in 1 second" is just seriously stretching, especially given people like Pre-Vizsla going toe to toe with the likes of Darth Maul.
Smallville used to depict that sort of speed all the time, so I don't see why at least TCW couldn't. Well actually I know why. Because Jedi/Sith simply aren't that fast. I mean they are fast, but Spider-Man or Blade type fast. Not Flash, Quicksilver or Superman type fast, which is what people are suggesting with entire fights happening in under a second.
Does it need to be explained why that would make for bad entertainment?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
He is. People b**** about him using too much CGI, then they b**** more when he goes practical for the Saber fights.In any case my point rests on more than just the live action movie. There was also TCW. And there's the Cut Scenes from the Games as well.
Oh man, you're totally right bro. I guess the movie characters are just pathetically slow compared to the rest of the mythos. Johun blitzes Sidious GG.
Lucas did show that Jedi had superspeed in TPM and Sidious blitzing the B team makes literally no sense unless either he's moving at superspeed or they were inexplicably stricken braindead.
Originally posted by NephthysI'll provide the context so you can draw you're own conclusions:
Imma let Ant have this one. :I
Revan's astromech launched a jet of flame at the Emperor, freeing Revan, who collapsed to the ground. In retaliation, the Emperor disintegrated the offending droid, strode over to where Revan lay, and picked the vanquished Jedi's lightsaber up off the floor.
It all happened in the space of only a few seconds.
It's only referring the above paragraph, not to the entirety of the conflict that takes place over separate paragraphs, sections, chapters etc.
Basically Ant can't read. 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh man, you're totally right bro. I guess the movie characters are just pathetically slow compared to the rest of the mythos.
Where did I even hint they were slow?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lucas did show that Jedi had superspeed in TPM and Sidious blitzing the B team makes literally no sense unless either he's moving at superspeed or they were inexplicably stricken braindead.
Again where did I even hint they don't have super speed?
It's your "entire fights in 1 second" I have an issue with, given the entire TCW series never depicted or even hinted at such a thing. And given people like Pre-Vizsla go toe to toe with Darth Maul (confirmed as one of the deadliest Sith in history in both the old and new canon).
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, Force sensitives of their caliber are supposed to move too fast for the standard human eye to see.
And yet Vizsla could clearly see Maul.
Jango Fett could clearly see Kenobi.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Does it need to be explained why that would make for bad entertainment?
You telling me Invisibe Speed has never been depicted on screen in live action or in animation? Lol
I suggest you watch a Superman movie. Or Days of Future Past. Or just an episode of The Flash or Smallville.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'll provide the context so you can draw you're own conclusions:Revan's astromech launched a jet of flame at the Emperor, freeing Revan, who collapsed to the ground. In retaliation, the Emperor disintegrated the offending droid, strode over to where Revan lay, and picked the vanquished Jedi's lightsaber up off the floor.
It all happened in the space of only a few seconds.
It's only referring the above paragraph, not to the entirety of the conflict that takes place over separate paragraphs, sections, chapters etc.
Basically Ant can't read. 👆
You argued the entire battle happened in a few seconds to wank Revan and Vitiate's speed. On more than one occasion.
For reference:
Originally posted by AncientPower
Given that Revan and Vitiate waged an entire battle in three or four (definition of 'a few'😉 seconds. Which included:1.Revan charges.
2.Vitiate knocks him back with a Force wave.
3.Revan charges at a slower pace.
4.Vitiate attacks him with his will.
5.Revan counters with Force Purity knocking Vitiate over.
6.Revan charges Vitiate down.
7.Vitiate rolls over and blasts Revan with energy.
8.Revan intercepts it with his blade.
9.Vitiate fires three more in succession.
10.Revan deflects the third into Vitiate's chest.
11.Vitiate gets pissed, stands up and then summons his power.
12.Vitiate unleashes an FLS which Revan attempts to Tutaminis.
13.Revan holds this off.I will request that you prove Plagueis can move faster than doing all of that in 3 or 4 seconds let alone blitz past it. Or I must assume you are trolling and/or have no argument and accept your unspoken concession on the matter.
Valkorion wins.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceYah it's in his respect thread:
To be fair, I haven't actually seen Ant argue this. It was Ancient. Not saying he hasn't, but still.
The entire battle between Revan and Emperor Vitiate, including the aftermath, all happened in only a few seconds. This included crossing a 120 foot walkway twice, releasing pulses of energy, defending against immense lightning attacks, and the destruction of T3-M4.
"It [his fight with the Sith Emperor] all happened in the space of only a few seconds."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Darth ThorObi-wan managed to hit almost 20 strikes per second in one fight and there are characters much faster than him. Do you really want them to be depicted that fast? The speed we saw in the last movie is pretty good imo. Perhaps it can be a bit faster but if they overdid it, it would look ridiculous and if they made them move as fast as they actually are, we wouldn't even be able to perceive them. So its not about special effects. 😬
Yeah I suppose special effects haven't reached that level yet where they can depict combat at super speed 😬
Originally posted by Darth ThorNo, I'm asking you whether you'd be satisifed if every importantly lightsaber duel ever visually depicted in Star Wars was done so invisibly.
You telling me Invisibe Speed has never been depicted on screen in live action or in animation? LolI suggest you watch a Superman movie. Or Days of Future Past. Or just an episode of The Flash or Smallville.
"What's you're favourite lightsaber duel."
"Lol, don't know, can't see any."
You see my point?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Where did I even hint they were slow?Again where did I even hint they don't have super speed?
It's your "entire fights in 1 second" I have an issue with, given the entire TCW series never depicted or even hinted at such a thing. And given people like Pre-Vizsla go toe to toe with Darth Maul (confirmed as one of the deadliest Sith in history in both the old and new canon).
You're arguing they don't move at superhuman speeds where they can perform dozens of actions in a second. They can.
The TCW series never depicted that because they didn't depict superspeed. We know that Maul can move faster than the human eye can see and various characters can move so fast they appear to be in multiple places at once or wielding a dozen lightsabers. Leneer was experiencing seconds as minutes or something. Vizsla can keep up with Maul partially because Maul was likely holding back and partially because non-force sensitives can reach superhuman (by our standards) levels in star wars.
Originally posted by Sinious
Obi-wan managed to hit almost 20 strikes per second in one fight
Nah.