How long would Obi-Wan last against Sidious?

Started by Jmanghan6 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
No more than ten seconds. He's no rival to Sidious like Maul is.
Lol...

Originally posted by quanchi112
No more than ten seconds. He's no rival to Sidious like Maul is.

All the Jedi are rivals to Palpatine LOL

Originally posted by Darth Thor
All the Jedi are rivals to Palpatine LOL
That is absurd.

It's funny how hypocritical you guys are being to meet your own end, less then a year ago, Lucas' say didn't matter when it came to stuff like Sidious and such.

Yet now, when Lucas is like "Naw, Sidious threw the fight", everyone is quick to jump at the chance to use this as canon and act like it's law.

People's opinions can change in less than an hour let alone a year.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is absurd.

Deal with it.

Obi-Wan's a bigger threat to Sidious than Maul.

Always was, always will be.

Even as a Force Ghost.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
People's opinions can change in less than an hour let alone a year.
It doesn't matter what your "opinion" is, you can't just say "Hey, Lucas' word is canon now" because you feel like it would benefit your argument.

Either it's canon, or it isn't.

You can't have one thing be canon and everything else not be canon, thats not how canonicity works.

So, either everything Lucas said is canon, or everything he says isn't canon.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Deal with it.

Obi-Wan's a bigger threat to Sidious than Maul.

Always was, always will be.

Even as a Force Ghost.

To be fair, Force Ghosts can be more powerful due to their resistance to physical attacks, if they had JUST become a force ghost and died not moments ago.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan is specifically said to not be matching Grievous' speed in that duel.
Grievous reached those numbers though and his strikes were met with Obi-wan's saber so it only makes sense to assume that he strikes almost as much as he did since sometimes Obi-wan countered more than one blade at once. Even if we say Obi is the half of Grievous, it would make 10 strikes a second which is still too fast for visual medium which was my point in the first place.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
It doesn't matter what your "opinion" is, you can't just say "Hey, Lucas' word is canon now" because you feel like it would benefit your argument.

Either it's canon, or it isn't.

You can't have one thing be canon and everything else not be canon, thats not how canonicity works.

So, either everything Lucas said is canon, or everything he says isn't canon.


Actually, that exactly what you can do. You can say whatever you want in any argument you want as long as it's convincing and well thought out. That's why it's called an argument and not a religion.

Dooku himself has admitted at times that he's had trouble keeping up with Grievous during their duels.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Deal with it.

Obi-Wan's a bigger threat to Sidious than Maul.

Always was, always will be.

Even as a Force Ghost.

You are free to feel that way but the Clone Wars episodes where Sidious calls him a rival and the son of dathomir say otherwise.

His force ghost did nothing to stop Sidious from torturing Luke. Lucky for him Vader turned yet again.

Originally posted by Sinious
Grievous reached those numbers though and his strikes were met with Obi-wan's saber so it only makes sense to assume that he strikes almost as much as he did since sometimes Obi-wan countered more than one blade at once. Even if we say Obi is the half of Grievous, it would make 10 strikes a second which is still too fast for visual medium which was my point in the first place.

"His blade wove an intricate web of angles and curves, never truly fast but always just fast enough, each motion of his lightsaber subtly interfering with three or four or eight of the general's strikes, the rest sizzling past him, his precise, minimal shifts of weight and stance slipping them by centimeters."

This is an argument I don't want to go into atm but you seem to be having problem with the context of my original argument yet again 😄

The force users are too fast to be depicted without making them appear slower in the movies/tv shows etc. Do you disagree with that? If not, not much to discuss here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are free to feel that way but the Clone Wars episodes where Sidious calls him a rival and the son of dathomir say otherwise.

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The Clone Wars episodes say Kenobi's not a rival?

Palatine specifically tries to get Anakin to not save Kenobi in ROTS.

He then tells him after he turns that every single Jedi is now an enemy "that includes your friend Obi-Wan Kenobi".

Palpatine clearly wanted Kenobi dead. He never bothered killing Maul.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Clone Wars episodes say Kenobi's not a rival?

Palatine specifically tries to get Anakin to not save Kenobi in ROTS.

He then tells him after he turns that every single Jedi is now an enemy "that includes your friend Obi-Wan Kenobi".

Palpatine clearly wanted Kenobi dead. He never bothered killing Maul.

The episode and the comics further validate my claims Maul is a rival. I have the character saying as much.

You have a coincidence. At no point does Sheev act like Kenobi's a rival but instead wants to merely capitalize on leaving Kenobi for dead.

He wanted all the Jedi who opposed him dead but didn't consider them rivals. That's absurd.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The episode and the comics further validate my claims Maul is a rival. I have the character saying as much.

You have a coincidence. At no point does Sheev act like Kenobi's a rival but instead wants to merely capitalize on leaving Kenobi for dead.

He wanted all the Jedi who opposed him dead but didn't consider them rivals. That's absurd.

Rival : a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.

Yes, Maul is a rival, just not a very good one. Clearly the Jedi are not rivals, they aren't trying to become the Dark Lord of the Sith.

Originally posted by Trocity
Rival : a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.

Yes, Maul is a rival, just not a very good one. Clearly the Jedi are not rivals, they aren't trying to become the Dark Lord of the Sith.

Darth Thor is the one who claimed Kenobi was a rival which I stated was absurd. I'm glad you posted the definition to show I am correct.

Sidious is superior to Maul at that point which I have never denied despite Maul being my favorite Star Wars character. I'm objective to a fault.

Originally posted by Trocity

Yes, Maul is a rival, just not a very good one. Clearly the Jedi are not rivals, they aren't trying to become the Dark Lord of the Sith.

They are Rivals in the Force.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The episode and the comics further validate my claims Maul is a rival.

No they don't. Maul was pretty insignificant to Sidious once he lost his army. He didn't even bother to chase Maul when he was running away.

Talzin was the real Rival Sidious was worried about.