Without offensive force powers I think Obi-Wan could last for at least 30 seconds or so, with zero hope of actually winning of course.
I'd even be willing to assert that there is no duelist in the mythos that could put him down in less than 20 seconds without using the force- he's pretty much the best turtler in the universe.
Originally posted by Tzeentch**** YES!
Without offensive force powers I think Obi-Wan could last for at least 30 seconds or so, with zero hope of actually winning of course.I'd even be willing to assert that there is no duelist in the mythos that could put him down in less than 20 seconds without using the force- he's pretty much the best turtler in the universe.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingThats a fake quote, I've read Revan and have never come across such a thing.
Yah it's in his respect thread:The entire battle between Revan and Emperor Vitiate, including the aftermath, all happened in only a few seconds. This included crossing a 120 foot walkway twice, releasing pulses of energy, defending against immense lightning attacks, and the destruction of T3-M4.
"It [his fight with the Sith Emperor] all happened in the space of only a few seconds."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightTo be fair, Anakin and Obi-Wan have never really been at their best when working as a team, not instantly killing Ventress is proof enough of that. Padawan Anakin can nearly kill her, but Kenobi and Anakin can't at the same time? C'mon dude :/
"[Dooku] gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall."If Dooku can do that so easily, I shudder to think how Obi will fare against someone a clear tier above the good Count.
Not selling Dooku short - he's damn near the best in the PT, but "near" just isn't good enough, for either him or Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, I'm asking you whether you'd be satisifed if every importantly lightsaber duel ever visually depicted in Star Wars was done so invisibly."What's you're favourite lightsaber duel."
"Lol, don't know, can't see any."
You see my point?
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Also, in canon we have stuff like this:
Suddenly there came two flashes of red. A woman—bald, pale as the stars, clad in black leather and expertly wielding twin lightsabers, appeared.Asajj Ventress.
The Jedi and the Sith acolyte engaged in a heated fight. Ventress’s lightsabers had unusually curved hilts, so that she needed to wield them in a slightly different manner from the standard, straight lightsabers. Vos watched, forgetting to breathe, horrified but unable to tear his gaze away from the brutal spectacle. Then, so swiftly Vos couldn’t even see what happened, Ventress had gotten the upper hand.
Tholme’s lightsaber went flying. Ventress pointed both her weapons at Tholme. He raised his hands and knelt before her. Surrendering.
Ventress ran him through.
One glowing blade pierced Tholme’s heart. The other gutted him. Vos’s beloved Master fell to the ground.
-- Dark Disciple
And this:
But Ventress wasn’t there. She was behind him, screaming as she swung her glowing yellow blade. Vos was forced to dodge. Swift as a thought, Ventress raced past and whirled to face him.-- Dark Disciple
These showings clearly portray Ventress moving as swift as thought, and defeating Tholme so fast Quinlan Vos couldn't see what happened, which is like moving invisibly fast.
For the record, the novel these feats are taken from is just as canon as the movies/TCW/Rebels. If Force users weren't supposed to move this fast, the novel wouldn't even be as canon in the first place, but it is.
Yup, there are plenty of examples, including those describing duels from the movies and TCW. Really it's just illogical to assume muggles such as ourselves would be able to track the movements of Master Yoda or Darth Sidious at full throttle.
Originally posted by Jmanghan"It all happened in the space of only a few seconds."
Thats a fake quote, I've read Revan and have never come across such a thing.
Is not fake, and is in the book bro, it's just been taken out of context.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingNobody addressed the Maul/Pre-Viszla fight yet...
Yup, there are plenty of examples, including those describing duels from the movies and TCW. Really it's just illogical to assume muggles such as ourselves would be able to track the movements of Master Yoda or Darth Sidious at full throttle."It all happened in the space of only a few seconds."Is not fake, and is in the book bro, it's just been taken out of context.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yah it's in his respect thread:The entire battle between Revan and Emperor Vitiate, including the aftermath, all happened in only a few seconds. This included crossing a 120 foot walkway twice, releasing pulses of energy, defending against immense lightning attacks, and the destruction of T3-M4.
"It [his fight with the Sith Emperor] all happened in the space of only a few seconds."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thats a fake quote, I've read Revan and have never come across such a thing.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're arguing they don't move at superhuman speeds where they can perform dozens of actions in a second. They can.
I can believe them deflecting dozens of shots per second, given their feats, but that's not really the same thing that you're saying I'm guessing.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The TCW series never depicted that because they didn't depict superspeed.
Sure they did. Just not at the kind of level you're talking about.
Originally posted by Nephthys
We know that Maul can move faster than the human eye can see
Do we? Do we really know this outside of hyperbolic descriptions? Is this stated anywhere by a canon authority, or presented in some way in visual format?
Because even the superspeed sprint in TPM, was something we could see. As was Luke's leap in ESB.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Vizsla can keep up with Maul partially because Maul was likely holding back and partially because non-force sensitives can reach superhuman (by our standards) levels in star wars.
It's not just Maul/Obi-Wan/Ahsoka vs Vizsla though.
It's Obi-Wan vs Jango Fett. It's Anakin vs Hondo. It's Obi-Wan and Vos vs Cad Bane.
Sure those guys have advantages like flight packs and stuff. And the Jedi/Sith clearly depict superhuman traits in those fights. But their opponents can clearly perceive and fight the Jedi/Sith. That's my point. So they're obviously not doing 12 things per second, because if they were none of the above would even be a fight.
Originally posted by NargarothThese showings clearly portray Ventress moving as swift as thought, and defeating Tholme so fast Quinlan Vos couldn't see what happened, which is like moving invisibly fast.
For the record, the novel these feats are taken from is just as canon as the movies/TCW/Rebels. If Force users weren't supposed to move this fast, the novel wouldn't even be as canon in the first place, but it is.
And yet Ventress can't blitz Vos? Hmm?
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Without offensive force powers I think Obi-Wan could last for at least 30 seconds or so, with zero hope of actually winning of course.I'd even be willing to assert that there is no duelist in the mythos that could put him down in less than 20 seconds without using the force- he's pretty much the best turtler in the universe.
I'd say 20-30 seconds in a Pure Saber duel is pretty fair. Maul lasted 20 seconds against Sidious in their final 1 v 1 Saber duel after all.